The name of this trick tells you what it is for the most part, but in case you're wondering, it's a combination of a 360 frontside shove it, and a kickflip... Pretty difficult, and very technical. It's really something that if you want to learn it, you have to understand it's going to take quite a bit of time and effort.. But you probably already know that, so hey, let's get on with this tip. And for the record, this is a 360 hardflip. Not a double hardflip, not a hardflip double flip, or anything like that.
You need to know a hardflip before you plan on getting this trick done, obviously. You will also need to know how to do a solid 360 frontside pop shove it.
What You May Find Useful:
This is one of those tricks that a lot of people will claim is easier when done fakie. So, with that in mind, you might want to mess with this trick while in the fakie stance a little bit to get an easier understanding how it works.
Doing The Trick
Positioning:
The back foot
The back foot is going to be placed as if you were going to be doing a regular hardflip. Depending on preference, you might want to make it have a slight bit more of an angle if you think it will make the 360 frontside shove rotation easier.
The front foot
Again, this foot needs to be placed as if you were going to do a regular hardflip. I'd personally suggest you scoot it back down the board a little bit more than usual though, as to help you spin the board easier.
Motion:
Alright, give yourself a few pushes, and set up your feet as mentioned above.
As you pop your tail to begin this trick, you will want to put a bit of a 'scooping' motion with it. This is still a 'pop' trick overall, but you're going to have to scoop it a little bit to make it work. The force of the pop/scoop is going to be just a little bit stronger than it would be if you were doing a frontside 360 shove.
As you are doing the tail work with your back foot, drag your front foot up the board towards the nose. Move it at a slight angle (you should already understand how to do that) as you do so.
Right as your back foot finished up it's motion, you will want to have your front foot sliding off the board and doing a flicking motion to begin the kickflip motion. As usual, it's very important that you make that flick right in that little dip before the nose. You have to use that spot, or it's going to make this trick incredibly hard to control.
As soon as your foot work is finished, you have to pull your legs up and get them out of the way so the board can do it's thing. This trick take a little while longer to finish up than most flip tricks, so you're going to have to really keep your feet up to give it enough time.
Watch the board do it's insane motion under you. This is a really hard trick to watch under you and try to time your landing, I gotta point out. More than likely the kickflip motion is going to finish up roughly between 40-60% through the frontside 360 rotation.
As soon as you notice that the kickflip motion is about to be completed, you need to prepare to catch the trick. By this point in the trick you're going to have a pretty good idea of whether or not it's going to make the full 360 degree rotation. If it doesn't look like it's going to make it, wait until the last moment you can, allowing it to spin as much as it can, and catch it.
The catching motion is somewhat similar to catching a regular hardflip, but it's also very different in a few ways. It's going to take some getting used to before you're really doing this comfortably. But try to land both feet over the bolts, and land on the ground.
Absorb impact appropriately, and tic-tac/shuffle the board if you need to to straighten it out. Ride away smiling and tell all your friends what you just did. Nice work!
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Troubleshooting
Honestly, this can be an incredibly intimidating trick. It's really technical, and it really requires a lot of focus to make it happen. You're going to have problems with this trick at first.. And most of them will sort of sort themselves out, if you will, through practice.. But if you're finding this one to be really hard, check out below to help sort it out.
My board isn't spinning the full frontside 360
Alright, this is one of the most common problems with this trick. And just for the record, this trick is going to look weird. It's going to have a bit of an inverted look to it, so it's somewhat hard at times to tell how much it's actually spinning until the trick is over with.
But, if you're sure this is your problem, there area few things you can do. First off, the most obvious solution would be to try to make it spin faster with your back foot. Put a little more "scoop" into the tail to make it rotate a bit faster.
Another solution worth pointing out... Make sure you're getting a clean flick with the front foot! As aforementioned, it's very important the flick is clean, and that it takes place right in that little groove just before the nose. I've said it a lot, this is a really technical trick, so it doesn't take much to mess it up. A sloppy flick can really kill this trick!
Finally, you might want to consider just trying to suck your legs up a little higher. Again, this trick takes a bit longer than usual to finish up, so you gotta take that into consideration. If you try to put your feet back on the board before it's done doing the trick, it's just not going to happen. Keep the feet up as long as possible.
My board doesn't do the kickflip properly
It's not hard to fuck up the kickflip on this trick.. If it's overflipping on you, it's likely because you're flicking out too hard. Remember, this is a 360 shove it and just a single kickflip, so obviously the back foot is going to be using more force than the front. If you apply a similar amount of force into the flick as you do the pop/scoop, it's going to overflip on you.
If it's not flipping completely, however, you need to consider putting a bit more force into the flick. Also, make sure you're doing a clean flick on the right spot on the deck. Doing it in the wrong spot can make it really hard to flip.
My board gets away from me!
This is really hard to control, that's no secret. If it's getting out from under you, no worries. You need to focus on your pop/scooping motion in the back foot. Make sure it's a clean motion, and you're not pushing the board away from you. Also, make sure your front foot is getting a solid flick motion, and you're not accidentally kicking the deck away from you with it.
Okay, I'm doing all the stuff you told me, but it's not happening. I don't know what I'm doing wrong!
Haha, I bet this is going to be a problem for anybody trying this trick. All I can say is practice, practice, and then practice it a bit more.. And then, after that, you might have to keep practicing. And of course, consider experimenting and moving your foot placement around a little.
By this point, you've probably skated enough to understand how you skate. You know your strengths and weaknesses, if you will. There are A LOT of ways people do this trick, and a lot of different ways this trick can look. And this is a hard one, so make yourself as comfortable as possible when trying it. If you think you need to set your feet up a little bit differently, do it. Doesn't hurt to try, right?
Alright, hopefully that helps you out. And don't forget that last piece of advice here, for the love of skateboarding. This is going to take a while to figure out most likely, but trust me, once you get it, you'll gladly say being able to do the trick was worth all the time and effort it took. Keep playing with it, you'll get it. Good luck!
Where Do I Go From Here?
Ha, you probably want to go tell all your friends! This is a neat trick, and it has some potential.. Get creative, and have fun with it. Good luck, again.
This was a weird one to write, for sure.. If anybody finds I left something out, point it out to me, please. And it lacks videos right now.
I really don't want to put some unoriginal content for this trick into the tip itself.. But just in case you're a bit confused, here are some videos that I found that will show you want this trick looks like (and they're sick, I might add):
Yeah, fakie and regular. (Fakie is somewhat easier, but it feels really different in my opinion).
Most I've ever taken it down was a somewhat small ledge, so I'm no pro at them or anything.. But haha, I don't even think I could try doing this down a solid gap! (though the guy in the video does, which is crazy)
Haha, man, to be honest.. I don't skate very much.. I mean, I DO, but not at all like I used to.. Sometimes I feel like I just gotta push myself out the door and into the road and practice.
And yeah, this is a pretty hard trick.. But I really think it's not so hard once you get into it.. I mean, after a while it really doesn't seem like it takes much effort.. I mean, it DOES, but I dunno, I hope you know what I mean.
But yeah, if you like doing hardflips, then you gotta work on this one and get it down, it's so much fun.. And I guess since it's so hard, it's all the more awesome when you land one.
Might try to work on a 360 inward (actually easier than this trick, I think) tomorrow. Maybe a big hardflip (not sure if that's the right name..)
Haha, man, to be honest.. I don't skate very much.. I mean, I DO, but not at all like I used to.. Sometimes I feel like I just gotta push myself out the door and into the road and practice.
And yeah, this is a pretty hard trick.. But I really think it's not so hard once you get into it.. I mean, after a while it really doesn't seem like it takes much effort.. I mean, it DOES, but I dunno, I hope you know what I mean.
But yeah, if you like doing hardflips, then you gotta work on this one and get it down, it's so much fun.. And I guess since it's so hard, it's all the more awesome when you land one.
Might try to work on a 360 inward (actually easier than this trick, I think) tomorrow. Maybe a big hardflip (not sure if that's the right name..)
Yeh im pretty sure thats the right name.
Props on being able to do them, I would of never thought your were one of the more advanced flat land skaters
Props on being able to do them, I would of never thought your were one of the more advanced flat land skaters
Haha, I've skated more flatground than anything I think.. I dunno, like... Getting good at tricks and then doing them down a gap is fun.. But so is see how crazy of a trick you can land on flat. I've spent so much time doing that
But eh, in all honesty some tricks aren't that consistent and I hardly try them in games of SKATE and shit.. I dunno, seems like no matter how well you understand a trick.. Some are just fucking hard to do all the time. I have a hard time thinking even a pro could do shit like emerald flips every time, but eh... I'm sure they can =\
Holy shit balls, who on earth can do these, I'd day they are the most advanced flat land trick out there.
@Iskatehard I always thought you were one of those guys on SB-C who didn't skate anymore, but damn, that trick is amazing.
I can, and I believe Iskatehard and I are also the only ones besides Roboman who can double hardflip. Nerdflips are wayyyyyy harder, don't kid yourself.
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Originally Posted by Iskatehard
Haha, man, to be honest.. I don't skate very much.. I mean, I DO, but not at all like I used to.. Sometimes I feel like I just gotta push myself out the door and into the road and practice.
And yeah, this is a pretty hard trick.. But I really think it's not so hard once you get into it.. I mean, after a while it really doesn't seem like it takes much effort.. I mean, it DOES, but I dunno, I hope you know what I mean.
But yeah, if you like doing hardflips, then you gotta work on this one and get it down, it's so much fun.. And I guess since it's so hard, it's all the more awesome when you land one.
Might try to work on a 360 inward (actually easier than this trick, I think) tomorrow. Maybe a big hardflip (not sure if that's the right name..)
I really don't want to put some unoriginal content for this trick into the tip itself.. But just in case you're a bit confused, here are some videos that I found that will show you want this trick looks like (and they're sick, I might add):
YouTube - 360 Hardflip
YouTube - 360 hardflip (hollyyy fuck)
(you'll notice from these, there are some pretty different ways this trick can look)
Most I've ever taken it down was a somewhat small ledge, so I'm no pro at them or anything.. But haha, I don't even think I could try doing this down a solid gap! (though the guy in the video does, which is crazy)
@Iskatehard I always thought you were one of those guys on SB-C who didn't skate anymore, but damn, that trick is amazing.
And yeah, this is a pretty hard trick.. But I really think it's not so hard once you get into it.. I mean, after a while it really doesn't seem like it takes much effort.. I mean, it DOES, but I dunno, I hope you know what I mean.
But yeah, if you like doing hardflips, then you gotta work on this one and get it down, it's so much fun.. And I guess since it's so hard, it's all the more awesome when you land one.
Might try to work on a 360 inward (actually easier than this trick, I think) tomorrow. Maybe a big hardflip (not sure if that's the right name..)
And yeah, this is a pretty hard trick.. But I really think it's not so hard once you get into it.. I mean, after a while it really doesn't seem like it takes much effort.. I mean, it DOES, but I dunno, I hope you know what I mean.
But yeah, if you like doing hardflips, then you gotta work on this one and get it down, it's so much fun.. And I guess since it's so hard, it's all the more awesome when you land one.
Might try to work on a 360 inward (actually easier than this trick, I think) tomorrow. Maybe a big hardflip (not sure if that's the right name..)
Props on being able to do them, I would of never thought your were one of the more advanced flat land skaters
But eh, in all honesty some tricks aren't that consistent and I hardly try them in games of SKATE and shit.. I dunno, seems like no matter how well you understand a trick.. Some are just fucking hard to do all the time. I have a hard time thinking even a pro could do shit like emerald flips every time, but eh... I'm sure they can =\
@Iskatehard I always thought you were one of those guys on SB-C who didn't skate anymore, but damn, that trick is amazing.
And yeah, this is a pretty hard trick.. But I really think it's not so hard once you get into it.. I mean, after a while it really doesn't seem like it takes much effort.. I mean, it DOES, but I dunno, I hope you know what I mean.
But yeah, if you like doing hardflips, then you gotta work on this one and get it down, it's so much fun.. And I guess since it's so hard, it's all the more awesome when you land one.
Might try to work on a 360 inward (actually easier than this trick, I think) tomorrow. Maybe a big hardflip (not sure if that's the right name..)