Define Perfection.

[Iskatehard]

For so long now... We throw the word "perfect" around.. And we're quick to say things about it. We can say it is ideal. We can say it is the absolute best.. And even more we're quick to say that it's impossible to achieve.


But.. Since we're so eager to use the term. Perhaps we can elaborate a bit more on the meaning of it? I mean.. Why use a word when we don't know what it means? Fuck, if you ask me, words like that are the ones that cause the greatest problems in linguistic terms.. But that's another topic, yeah.. So.. Right.. Define perfect.

I mean, I know. It's that which is "ideal". But ideal how, in what sense? And we can say it's "best".. But best compared to what?

[riskitforabiscuit]

Something is perfect if it satisfies all relevant criteria to the highest possible level.

[Iskatehard]

Alright.. Double post. But this is my reply to my own question.. And I sort of think it should be separate for organization's sake.


I personally believe that 'perfection' has no true definition. But I must say I also believe that it's in fact very possible. In fact.. I believe that perfection is unavoidable!

I suppose this sort of relates to my theory that we can only and will always be right in our own consciousness, no matter what we're doing.

But we are always doing what we think is best (based on whatever priority we have set in our minds as to what we want and such).. And since we're always doing what we think is best.. We ourselves are our personal definition of perfection.

I mean.. I observe myself, in ways. I look at all that I can about myself, and about my personality.. And I think it's the best I can be, in ways.. And I think that I am perfect. Sure, might sound silly and selfish.. But hey, whatever. I'd still say I am.. And I think you can still say you're perfect yourself.


But on that note.. Perfection DOESN'T have a specific definition.. Because we change all the time.. Society changes. Everything changes.. But it is always 'for the best' (even if it doesn't seem so in the future. But for the time being, anyway, it is for best).

So... Back in 1940, for example. People were thought to be the best they'd ever been. Smarter than before. Healthier than before.. All that mess.. In the scheme of history, the condition it was in at the time was the best it had ever.. So "Best"... Would that mean it was at the time, perfect?

But of course, things are different than they were back in 1940.. Things have change. We're now smarter, and better, if you will. You could argue we're in the best shape ever (and I mean argue!)... We're currently perfect, yeah?


I think so. I think perfection is constant. I think it cannot be planned of course, but it constantly evolves as we do ourselves. But if you are going to describe the word "perfect" and make it applicable to reality (which I guess is the big key here)... Then... We're perfect..

edit- Disregard first line of this post. It was NOT double post =D

[Iskatehard]

Something is perfect if it satisfies all relevant criteria to the highest possible level.

I see what you mean in a way.. But that almost seems to argue with reality, if you will. While it's a somewhat simple yet descriptive definition.. I have a hard time applying it to anything.

But shit.. I'm probably approaching your idea the wrong way. I admit, I'm still in the mindset in which I posted with in the above post.. As in, I think perfection is in the current moment.

But I'm sort of seeing your idea as... And again, I might be taking it wrong, and I apologize if so.. But I see it as perfection could sort of be defined by that next step we want to progress to in whatever it is we're doing.


For example.. And I dunno why, but I linked your idea to music first.. So I suppose I'll use music as an example for what I'm trying to say.

If you make a song... You can like it, and people can like it.. But people will always find something wrong with it.. So you sort of take that into mind, and then create your next song to cater to those initial forms of criticism...


But shit. I think I took it wayyy out of context and over complicated it. But fuck, it's 3:00 am, I don't think I can even help it at this fucking point. Tired as hell...

[salvemaster]

I guess 'perfect' is like any other word in the dictionary in that it can only represent the idea of something, not necesarily that it's a plausible concept. I mean, fuck, we find it so hard to accept the idea of perfection because it's 'impossible,' right? But i don't think we really have to.

I mean, whenever someone defines perfection like riskitforabisquit just did, on one hand its like 'well, duh, that's the text book definition, what does that prove? It's still not a plausible concept.'

While on the other hand it's like 'maybe it doesn't have to be. Maybe it's only a substitutive word used to describe something that is very good. Yeah its definition is realtively impossible, but when has anyone actually meant that something is 'perfect' in that every single detail is exactly and compeltely as it should be?'

Idk, it makes sense i guess. So in that regard i suppose 'perfect' holds no real literal consequence, but it offers the possibility an idea to which other ideas can be compared, yaknow?

[Skateselect]

perfect really isnt really plausible at all. its too based in opinion to be relevant in real life

[pain.]

sitting outside on a warm day, grilling burgers by the pool, drinking beers and smokin cigs with your best friends with good music is perfect.

[Videon07]

Alright.. Double post. But this is my reply to my own question.. And I sort of think it should be separate for organization's sake.


I personally believe that 'perfection' has no true definition. But I must say I also believe that it's in fact very possible. In fact.. I believe that perfection is unavoidable!

I suppose this sort of relates to my theory that we can only and will always be right in our own consciousness, no matter what we're doing.

But we are always doing what we think is best (based on whatever priority we have set in our minds as to what we want and such).. And since we're always doing what we think is best.. We ourselves are our personal definition of perfection.

I mean.. I observe myself, in ways. I look at all that I can about myself, and about my personality.. And I think it's the best I can be, in ways.. And I think that I am perfect. Sure, might sound silly and selfish.. But hey, whatever. I'd still say I am.. And I think you can still say you're perfect yourself.


But on that note.. Perfection DOESN'T have a specific definition.. Because we change all the time.. Society changes. Everything changes.. But it is always 'for the best' (even if it doesn't seem so in the future. But for the time being, anyway, it is for best).

So... Back in 1940, for example. People were thought to be the best they'd ever been. Smarter than before. Healthier than before.. All that mess.. In the scheme of history, the condition it was in at the time was the best it had ever.. So "Best"... Would that mean it was at the time, perfect?

But of course, things are different than they were back in 1940.. Things have change. We're now smarter, and better, if you will. You could argue we're in the best shape ever (and I mean argue!)... We're currently perfect, yeah?


I think so. I think perfection is constant. I think it cannot be planned of course, but it constantly evolves as we do ourselves. But if you are going to describe the word "perfect" and make it applicable to reality (which I guess is the big key here)... Then... We're perfect..

edit- Disregard first line of this post. It was NOT double post =D
The only way I could see the word 'perfection' used is in reference tyo art, but then that's weird too. A song can be perfect, not possibly be any better, but it can be very different which would change whether it's perfect or not. Perfection seems like it's a single entity, you can reach perfection in only one way, can only be perfect in one way but that isn't the case at all so it seems like it renders it's self impossible. and that's just with art. idk this shit's kinda deep for me to delve into right now cause I'm sick as fuck.

[Iskatehard]

perfect really isnt really plausible at all. its too based in opinion to be relevant in real life

Well, yeah it relies on opinion.. But I'd almost say that doesn't make it irrelevant to life.. I mean, shit.. Seems life is all about opinions.

So maybe then... A sense of absolute perfection might not sound reasonable.. But relevant perfection, perhaps?

[theonlysun81]

it is so stupid and counter productive if you argue semantics unless you put it in context of something. Perfection can be any different thing, but the definition isn't the problem, the goal in which you want your perfection to be perfect in. You're missing the point of arguing semantics and linguistics. It's a endless pit of blubbering bull shit because it would be like trying to describe color to blind people.

[the_unknown_soldier]

Pefection is to the individual. The declaration of perfection can be mutual, but it cannot have a set definition, for no standard is as infinate as such.

[The Sinistral]

Something is perfect if it cannot be improved upon.

It is a phenomenon that has yet to exist

[WhiteTrash]

Something is perfect if it cannot be improved upon.

It is a phenomenon that has yet to exist

Oh really? What about someone who makes something and thinks well this could be better as it's lacking the ability to do whatever but it's not possible to make it do that, is it then still perfect if it could be better, but can't?

...if that makes any sense haha