Religious dellima

[BonesSkater]

I was in a bit of a jam recently. I told God if he got me out, I'd stop smoking cigarettes. It's extremely tempting and I've been craving a smoke for days. If I break my "promise" or "self- sacrilege" to God, would that be a cause for Bonesy here to burn in Satan's furnace? I really wanna smoke bad, but I'm quite afraid. What do you guys think?

[fudgefudge]

well I don't believe in god but I don't think you should smoke because:
A) There is a god and not smoking will give you eternal life in heaven
B) You stop smoking and you have longer in the only life you get

seems obvious to me

[popwar sk8er]

i didnt realize you believed in god.but we've all broken promises to god before and he will forgive you ;).and he got you out of whatever ''situation'' you were in because he loves you,not because you said you'd quit smoking.

''For if you forgive people their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. Matthew 6: 14''

''If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
1 John 1: 9''

[BonesSkater]

i didnt realize you believed in god.but we've all broken promises to god before and he will forgive you ;).and he got you out of whatever ''situation'' you were in because he loves you,not because you said you'd quit smoking.

So, I can smoke, right?

[popwar sk8er]

So, I can smoke, right?

there are plenty of people who are christians that smoke.but,i wouldn't simply because its bad for your health.you are forgiven though,just be sure to forgive others as hes forgiven you ;)

[trevkk]

Why would god mind you smoking?
If you want to smoke just smoke and next time promise something less useless.

[BonesSkater]

there are plenty of people who are christians that smoke.but,i wouldn't simply because its bad for your health.you are forgiven though,just be sure to forgive others as hes forgiven you ;)

Thanks man, you've helped alot.

[BonesSkater]

Why would god mind you smoking?
If you want to smoke just smoke and next time promise something less useless.

amazing sig, man.

[fudgefudge]

Thanks man, you've helped alot.

he hasn't helped, he's encouraged you to take part in a high risk activity

Just man up and quit, don't be a pussy and take the easy option, even the bible tells you that

For example Jonah tried to pussy out and god got him eaten by a whale, so if you don't quit he will punish you

Why would god mind you smoking?
If you want to smoke just smoke and next time promise something less useless.

cause he broke a promise

[BonesSkater]

well I don't believe in god but I don't think you should smoke because:
A) There is a god and not smoking will give you eternal life in heaven
B) You stop smoking and you have longer in the only life you get

seems obvious to me
wut

[fudgefudge]

wut
In my opinion there is no god, but as you believe in god I thought I'd reason it from the point of view of a christian and an atheist
A and B were seperate points, and I think B is the truth

To be honest I'm a cross between atheist and agnostic, I accept that there is a possibility that there is a god, I just feel that there probably isn't

Its probably worth pointing out that the christians say that all human life is sacred, by smoking your are harming one of gods people, which your god wouldn't like
Because of this suicide was illegal in the UK untill 1961 because you were taking your life which christians believed belonged to god and it wasn't your right to take, even though it was your own

[cornh0lio]

God didn't get you out. Smoke a cigarette.

[I'M_NOOBTASTIC]

If I ever get a kid, it is going to be so hard telling him that God isn't real. It's like telling him Santa Claus is not real.

[BonesSkater]

In my opinion there is no god, but as you believe in god I thought I'd reason it from the point of view of a christian and an atheist
A and B were seperate points, and I think B is the truth

To be honest I'm a cross between atheist and agnostic, I accept that there is a possibility that there is a god, I just feel that there probably isn't

Its probably worth pointing out that the christians say that all human life is sacred, by smoking your are harming one of gods people, which your god wouldn't like
Because of this suicide was illegal in the UK untill 1961 because you were taking your life which christians believed belonged to god and it wasn't your right to take, even though it was your own
ok, I feel ya.

God didn't get you out. Smoke a cigarette.
just smoked a KOOL 100:-P

If I ever get a kid, it is going to be so hard telling him that God isn't real. It's like telling him Santa Claus is not real.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Iskatehard]

I'm no parent.. But I wouldn't think I'd tell my children that god does or doesn't exist. I'd tell them what I personally thought and be like "Fuck, but yeah, I got no fucking idea for sure.." As well as let them see and understand other popular ideas of the day, and just let them conclude on their own...


But yeah, I know what you mean. Like I remember when I was a bit younger and I got scared for whatever reason, and I'd pray and be all like "Man, you get me out of this shit, and I'll straighten up, really." And then I never did really fix my problems, if you will..

Fuck it though.. I can't say much about God with certainty.. Nor can I really say I believe in God, honestly. But if there is one like people say, I'm positive he'd care more about other things than rather if you smoked or some shit... And eh, we can't be sure he does or doesn't exist.. So don't stress too much over it, just have fun with yourself y'know? Really might be the only time you'll ever get chances to, and you might die and just stop existing.

[Ynot]

there are plenty of people who are christians that smoke.but,i wouldn't simply because its bad for your health.you are forgiven though,just be sure to forgive others as hes forgiven you ;)
this.

[BonesSkater]

you've always been a wise man.

EDIT: to Rob, and get the hell outta here Antonio.

[Ynot]

you've always been a wise man.

EDIT: to Rob, and get the hell outta here Antonio.
fuck yo shit nukka

[BonesSkater]

fuck yo shit nukka

*calls Blair*

you fucked up, fella.

[Ynot]

......fuck.

[BonesSkater]

......fuck.

answer the phone, fucker.

[the_unknown_soldier]

Dude, you smoke?! That is sooo cool!

[salvemaster]

He doesn't care, and if he did, he'd forgive you. I guess it's more about your promise to yourself. Fuck though, i just don't smoke anything i can't trip balls off of - that's my motto.

[SteezAlert]

god doesnt affect anything in our world. so he never got you out of whatever you got out of. your promise meant nothin because this "god" had no power. so puff away

[spanky_dan]

I can't fucking believe some people.

Situation -
*Bonesskater in some sort of dilemma, starts talking to thin air*
"Shit, God if you can hear me, I really need your help right now. I promise that if you get me out of this I will quit smoking"
*Situation is resolved - omfG it wus Godd!*

A. It wasn't God.
B. God doesn't work on a barter system, so smoke all you want, you don't sound religious anyway so I doubt God gives a shit, you're probably going to Hell anyway.
C. If you had prayed to a rock and promised that you would stop smoking if the rock got you out of trouble, and it did, would you believe that the rock was what resolved the situation?
D. God knows everything; past, present, future. If he already knew what your situation was going to be and what would happen, why do you need to thank him or hold a promise to him? It's like promising a pilot that you'll stop smoking if he keeps the plane at a constant altitude, when really it's just set on auto-pilot.
E. Convince yourself whatever you want, if you really want to make God "happy", become a Christian, otherwise - even though he loves you! - you gonna burn bitch.

[salvemaster]

^ Shit son, take it easy. I hate it when people tell other people they're gonna burn. This isn't the fucking middle ages.

[legit.fo.sho.]

this isnt a religous debate guys. were just here on the matter of a moral dilemma

[Teak]

^ Shit son, take it easy. I hate it when people tell other people they're gonna burn. This isn't the fucking middle ages.

Um, it says in the bible that you're going to burn in the lake of fire if you are unfaithful and go to hell, so that's completely relevant.

[Iskatehard]

Man, so much shit gets edited in and out of the Bible over years... It's hard to take any of the claims in it with much thought.

[SteezAlert]

Um, it says in the bible that you're going to burn in the lake of fire if you are unfaithful and go to hell, so that's completely relevant.

yeah but the bible was written over a time span of 1600 years and by over 40 people. fuck the bible.

[Iskatehard]

And the statement that seems to have sparked the whole bit over that wasn't in seriousness >.>'.. It seemed more of a joke or something than anything. Some people should chill

[legit.fo.sho.]

this isnt a religous debate guys. were just here on the matter of a moral dilemma
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[Marevix]

Smoke a bowl instead. God didn't create smooth glass and good herb to condemn people for combining them.

[legit.fo.sho.]

word

[spanky_dan]

^ Shit son, take it easy. I hate it when people tell other people they're gonna burn. This isn't the fucking middle ages.

Haha, I'm not religious, I'm just trying to let him know w'sup if he actually believes in God.

Besides, all those condemned to Hell will burn according to the Bible, and if this dude is actually worried about God etc. then that's where he's headed.

If it makes me sound any less hostile, I'm heading there too (although I don't believe it's real).

[Iskatehard]

Haha, I'm not religious, I'm just trying to let him know w'sup if he actually believes in God.

Haha, for some reason that sentence just sounds so weird on it's own..

[Son of a bitch]

If I ever get a kid, it is going to be so hard telling him that God isn't real. It's like telling him Santa Claus is not real.
Don't tell your kid that, just let him/her believe what they want and don't even mention anything about it.

And Bones, you have the right to do whatever you want, but I'd be the bigger man and quit smoking imo.

[spanky_dan]

Haha, for some reason that sentence just sounds so weird on it's own..

I just know mah shit on the subject, so I just love being a cynic.

[Son of a bitch]

I hate when I'm too lazy to read past the first page. You guys should chill haha.

[Iskatehard]

I just know mah shit on the subject, so I just love being a cynic.

Haha, yeah, I mean.. It just seems weird to hear a statement like that and stuff.

Not saying you don't know the religion well or anything.. In fact, I think a lot of people do even if they don't practice it. But I've always had a weird time thinking there would have to be people or churches or texts to tell you what's right and shit to believe. If something is right and the way it is, you should know it on your own. But that's off topic, shit. Just throwing it

[spanky_dan]

Haha, yeah, I mean.. It just seems weird to hear a statement like that and stuff.

Not saying you don't know the religion well or anything.. In fact, I think a lot of people do even if they don't practice it. But I've always had a weird time thinking there would have to be people or churches or texts to tell you what's right and shit to believe. If something is right and the way it is, you should know it on your own. But that's off topic, shit. Just throwing it

I feel like a repetitive, annoying bitch because I always bring this up in threads about religion, but I've grown up in a very religious household, my dad is a minister in a church. I even currently live in a rectory, the church is about 15 metres outside my window.

As a result of that, and from going to a Christian school, Christian camps etc. but also being interested in philosophy, science and other worldviews (which don't feign tolerance of certain issues lolol) I've developed a very sound understanding of the Bible and of Christianity. I was made to go to church, Bible studies, youth groups until I was 16 when I had had enough. It's always been the dominating factor in my life. I've always been surrounded by religion and I won't be able to escape it until I move out of home.

That being the case, I often hear wonderful religious discussions between my parents and their friends, and my sister and my mum. I love challenging the things they say and there are quite often humourous debates over Biblical issues (for example, see: homosexuality).

My life has always been immersed in Christianity, I was one of the brainwashed children when I was younger who would pray the loudest, give the right answers in Sunday School and know the right way to act, but I never really felt right doing it. When I started questioning it in my teens, followed by my increased interest in areas which created conflict, I rejected it.

It's still a big part of my life, though, if that makes sense. I just can't get away from it, haha.


But I agree with you to an extent. In terms of humans in the most fundamental sense, there shouldn't be anyone who can tell others what is right to believe, I don't know what the philosophy is, but I think of it as the "fuck-it-this-is-your-only-chance-at-life-believe-what-you-want-I-have-no-right-to-tell-you-what-you-should" (although I reserve the right to criticise. But when it comes to organised religion, it's unavoidable that there are people and texts. And that is where we find ourselves.

Although I'm not really sure if I'm talking about the same thing you are, I keep reading the last sentences but I can't get my head around what you're trying to say haha.

[skater fo ever]

Alrightl.. let's get this straight...
You don't go to heaven by being a good person.
One sin is all it takes to get to hell... so basically every single one of us, myself included, is damned to hell...
Jesus' sacrifice for us is what covered our sins, you get to heaven by trusting in him and giving him your life, not by being a good person or praying some prayer.

Now on the topic of how can we say Christianity is the right way and not all those other religions?
A big part is faith... but..BUT
More evidence points towards of the validity of the bible then any other religion. The bible has never been proven to have contradicted itself.
Non biblical manuscripts have been found to prove the validity of stories from the bible.
Other things such as evolution could not have possibly happened.
physical evidence has been found to prove the validity of stories from the bible.
And I mean...call it bull but... I know i've seen God work in other peoples lives, and in mine... Christianity wasn't forced on me, it was my decision.. you guys can't call me "brain washed" for that.

And
spanky_dan...I can see where your comign from... It's never good to force anything on anyone. I can see how your like stuck in the middle between christianity and something else i guess?

I've seen and heard of things happening that can't just be "a coincedence"..

On like the last post of the first page someone said something like... "why praise God if he already knows what yoru going to do and has it planned out"

Let me start by saying we have complete control over our life.. even though God knows what we are going to do it is still our decision... we are our own, made in his image with his emotions and his free will.
The whole reason God created humans was so that we could worship him, to praise him. God hears your prayers and sometimes he answers them...

Back to the real topic though...
Should you smoke?
No.
Breaking apromise which you made to God is never good... i know from experience...
yet if you were to smoke it's not as if it would be a one way ticket to hell...
But I try and think of it this way...
Jesus died for your sins... that means all the pain we should suffer... he did... it also means that every single sin we committed caused him more pain...would you really want to cause the one who created you...the one who loved you enough to DIE for you....would you really want to have caused him more pain?

[PartyMoshSkate]

well, the thing is, to be "forgiven" you can't just say "omg yay everythings okay god will forgive me i'll go smoke"...you have to be so damn batshit tempted that you forget about God. but fuck smoking, just quit.

[bearclaw]

this is too much...