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salvemaster
07-16-2009, 03:40 PM
I was raised to believe that life isn't fair, but as i got older, i began to question the reality of that statement. I thought, 'life isn't the thing that's unfair, society is unfair.'

Think about it, when someone tells you that life isn't fair, ask them what's not fair about it. Chances are, ideas like discrimination, cheating, stealing and war will come up, nothing outside of any real human construct.

You could argue that society is a part of life, but for what it's worth, i suppose you could also say that, in this sense, it's only a part of human life. Animals don't discriminate, they only know necessity. They don't steal, they just take. Yaknow?

That's why i believe in karma, because i believe that life is inevitably fair. Maybe not always directly, but there has to be some form of leverage to keep things in perspective. I also believe in karma over destiny.

Idk, i guess i just don't like the idea that we aren't really making our own decisions, which is essentially what destiny is about. Karma isn't so much the idea that everything happens for a reason, so much as it is the idea that everything will return to balance itself out in the end, sorta like a divine equilibrium.

So think about it, when we say that life isn't fair in relation to our success and wealth, fuck it, that's not life, that's society.

So what the fuck do you guys think? Like about karma and the nature of fairness? What is fair, and who are we to judge the equality of any event in life?

sobrien
07-16-2009, 05:19 PM
Life is insanely unfair, how is it fair that some noname fetus was just aborted with absolutely no ties to society at all? How is it fair that some kid is born into an insanely rich family, yet some African kid was just born in Somalia?

And animals do discriminate, btw.

Fudopi
07-16-2009, 05:30 PM
Animals do discriminate and steal, there's runts of the pack that don't get food, and some wild animals will steal food/kill other animals. So you're kinda wrong there.

But yeah, life isn't fair at all. Basically for the reason sobrien said.

But I'm just sayin, the rich kid still has problems, and african kids still some good parts about their lives.

so in a way it balances out if you think about it.

They just expierience different things.

Like the african kid has seen some real bad things, but (depending, some are born into war) he might also have a group of other kids in the same situation who he can rely on and get along with.

The Rich kid might not have as bad of problems, but he also might not have anybody to rely on. I've never been to a gated community, but from what I've heard there's not really a strong sense of community there.

The Sinistral
07-16-2009, 06:14 PM
well what is "fair"? maybe "fair" is survival of the fittest.

Skateselect
07-16-2009, 06:17 PM
i believe in karma. thats all there is too it.

i mean, the universe has to be balanced somehow, if it wasnt, i probably would have fallen over by now

salvemaster
07-16-2009, 07:10 PM
Life is insanely unfair, how is it fair that some noname fetus was just aborted with absolutely no ties to society at all? How is it fair that some kid is born into an insanely rich family, yet some African kid was just born in Somalia?

And animals do discriminate, btw.

Well it is our society that has invented and condoned abortion, but in either sense, it is insanely unfair, and that is part of life.

But i don't think i understand what you mean about animals discriminating, explain?

Fudopi pointed out that they could steal, but then again stealing in the sense we think of is a human concept; we do it under the knowledge that it is unethical and only sometimes do we do it because we truly need to.

Animals do it out of pure necessity, and idk, but i don't think they feel guilty, i could be wrong though.

Marevix
07-16-2009, 07:18 PM
Like the african kid has seen some real bad things, but (depending, some are born into war) he might also have a group of other kids in the same situation who he can rely on and get along with.

The Rich kid might not have as bad of problems, but he also might not have anybody to rely on. I've never been to a gated community, but from what I've heard there's not really a strong sense of community there.

Hahahah, are you fucking kidding me? Nobody in their right mind is going to choose a life of constant hunger, dehydration, and struggle because they have homies over a comfortable, lonely life of luxury and leisure.

Life isn't fair at all, and it probably never will be. I'm not complaining, I think I ended up in a reasonable balance of positive and negative.

stinkingfish
07-16-2009, 07:32 PM
to me karma is something we believe in because we simply want to find justification in a absurd world. It's basicaly a god on earth in order to discriminate the god and the bad. The reverse of karma is the winds of the god, believed in by fruedal china. China was always in constant battle, and people always killed in order to gain land and power for their kings. The kings believed it was thier fate to be powerful, and if destiny was on their side they became powerful. If they died, or were screwed fate didn't like them.

Iskatehard
07-16-2009, 08:56 PM
Hmm... In ways, I can agree and disagree with the whole "life isn't fair".

In terms of financial status and opportunities like such and so.. It's really not "fair". It's part hard work, yes, but it's also a great deal of luck.. And hell, luck sure isn't fair.

But I somewhat think in emotions, there is a sort of fairness.. Maybe a sort of "balance" would be better to call it. Similarly to what I posted in my thread about good and bad and such.. I really do believe there is a complete balance of good and bad in terms of society and in specific lives.. I sort of believe that when we die, we could look back and see just as many happy times as sad times in a way.. Just as much good as there was bad. That's sort of "fair", isn't it?

Iskatehard
07-16-2009, 09:00 PM
Hahahah, are you fucking kidding me? Nobody in their right mind is going to choose a life of constant hunger, dehydration, and struggle because they have homies over a comfortable, lonely life of luxury and leisure.

Life isn't fair at all, and it probably never will be. I'm not complaining, I think I ended up in a reasonable balance of positive and negative.

I'm not completely sure it's quite as clear cut as you seem to say. It could easily be argued that in the life of struggle and hardships, you end up learning how to appreciate what you do have, and I think could result in you being an over nicer and better person, in a way.

As I said before, I think there is a constant balance within every life. The starving kid is going to get upset, yeah.. But he's also going to feel intense joy, no matter what. Same as with the rich kid.. He'll still have moments when he gets pissed and upset, and moments when he feels happy. And they're going to be equal to one another in that sense..

Fudopi
07-16-2009, 10:38 PM
Hahahah, are you fucking kidding me? Nobody in their right mind is going to choose a life of constant hunger, dehydration, and struggle because they have homies over a comfortable, lonely life of luxury and leisure.

Life isn't fair at all, and it probably never will be. I'm not complaining, I think I ended up in a reasonable balance of positive and negative.

I didn't say they'd choose it, I just said it's what they got.


My point is pretty much what ISH said.

WhiteTrash
07-16-2009, 10:55 PM
Hahahah, are you fucking kidding me? Nobody in their right mind is going to choose a life of constant hunger, dehydration, and struggle because they have homies over a comfortable, lonely life of luxury and leisure.

Life isn't fair at all, and it probably never will be. I'm not complaining, I think I ended up in a reasonable balance of positive and negative.

I agree with this 100%