What makes music good?

[salvemaster]

Is it the cadence of a melody?

Or is it how that melody makes you feel?

Or is it how that melody made the artist feel?

Or is it how creative the artist was in designing that melody?

Or was it how flawless a song is performed?

Or is it how many pores of emotion are embedded in that song?

There are so many different takes on what music is as an art form. Arguably, everything that is audible is music, just different pitches and tones and cadences melting into the monotony of our everyday lives, eventually disguised by our minds as 'noise.'

So what is music to you?

As a musician, i've wondered this many times, i just haven't been able to give myself an answer as to what it is about the expression of emotion through music that is so vital to the spiritual growth of man kind.

I just had some serious DeJaVu.... idk why i put that in there.

[erickoston=beast]

get high then listen to music. personally, i am more open to music and enjoy it better when im high. (in no way am i advocating drug use)

[Skateselect]

get high then listen to music. personally, i am more open to music and enjoy it better when im high. (in no way am i advocating drug use)
if you dont, i may have to haha
i think its based on how it makes you feel.
yeah. thats it

[salvemaster]

get high then listen to music. personally, i am more open to music and enjoy it better when im high. (in no way am i advocating drug use)

I know exactly what you mean. The first time i heard the Beatles high was less than a year ago, and it literally changed my perspective on everything.

Music while high is the soundtrack to life, man; but abusing the high is the soundtrack to spiritual decay. That's what i like to keep in mind whenever i decide to smoke.

But i get you 100% dude, and i myself do not condone drug use as no matter how you look at it morally, it's still illegal and will get you locked up.

I guess it all depends on what your willing to risk compared to what you believe you can gain.

[erickoston=beast]

I know exactly what you mean. The first time i heard the Beatles high was less than a year ago, and it literally changed my perspective on everything.

Music while high is the soundtrack to life, man; but abusing the high is the soundtrack to spiritual decay. That's what i like to keep in mind whenever i decide to smoke.

But i get you 100% dude, and i myself do not condone drug use as no matter how you look at it morally, it's still illegal and will get you locked up.

I guess it all depends on what your willing to risk compared to what you believe you can gain.
YouTube - Judas Priest - Breaking The Law (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psTUiQzNoxw)

[Skateselect]

^hahahahaha

[Iskatehard]

I think it's all about symbolism in your mind, even if it's subconsciousness. I mean.. Honestly.. Some notes of some sounds can directly make me think of a specific moment in time and carry a great nostalgic sense.. And some notes to some sounds instantly make me think of a specific emotion.

Basically, also.. It's all preference.

Music is anything that's sound, I might add. Or atleast, that's what I think it is.

This reminds me of that question a few philosophers asked a while back.. If you take a piece of music and play it.. But then you miss up on one single note by mistake.. Is it still the same piece, or a completely new piece all together.

Haha, I don't know if I have a solid answer to that.. All I know is music and sounds are extremely powerful in quite a few ways. And I can't help but appreciate it a ton.


And weeerdd. Music can really do some shit when you're fucked up on something.. And cool enough, it can do some shit when you're completely sober, as well. I still consider Elliott Smith my all time favorite musician..

Which I guess says a lot.. Since there are so many different genres and types of sound, you can't compare them.. To say something is the best seems stupid, but I do it...

[eberg15101]

I don't think the music you like has a lot to do with philosophy, but personality, its all just personal preference, same way as why you like a certain food, or your favorite color, it just sends something to your brain that makes it feel good or right



This reminds me of that question a few philosophers asked a while back.. If you take a piece of music and play it.. But then you miss up on one single note by mistake.. Is it still the same piece, or a completely new piece all together.



and to this, I don't think its a completely new piece because all you did was copy someone else and mess up, if you take that mess up and do something else with it, then its a completely new piece of music

[Fudopi]

I think it's all about symbolism in your mind, even if it's subconsciousness. I mean.. Honestly.. Some notes of some sounds can directly make me think of a specific moment in time and carry a great nostalgic sense.. And some notes to some sounds instantly make me think of a specific emotion.

so what does a tap on a snare drum make you thing of? Cause I'll be honest, all it makes me think of, is tapping my snare drum.

Basically, also.. It's all preference.

Music is anything that's sound, I might add. Or atleast, that's what I think it is.

It sorta has to have rythm, is highway traffic considered music?

This reminds me of that question a few philosophers asked a while back.. If you take a piece of music and play it.. But then you miss up on one single note by mistake.. Is it still the same piece, or a completely new piece all together.

lol yeah that's a nice question. now that I think of it yeah I think it's a whole new piece

Haha, I don't know if I have a solid answer to that.. All I know is music and sounds are extremely powerful in quite a few ways. And I can't help but appreciate it a ton.


And weeerdd. Music can really do some shit when you're fucked up on something.. And cool enough, it can do some shit when you're completely sober, as well. I still consider Elliott Smith my all time favorite musician..

Which I guess says a lot.. Since there are so many different genres and types of sound, you can't compare them.. To say something is the best seems stupid, but I do it...

yeah you got a good point there though

bold = my opinions.

[adude113]

Yeah, I think there's a big difference between music and noise.

[globesb211]

What makes music seem good to an individual is based on a lot of things, or a couple of things depending on how one is feeling.

what deems as "good music" to me is based on creativity, expressed through many different ways.

I can cling to a beat or riff that clicks in my mind, triggering some kind of emotion.(be it hate, jealousy, love, disappointment, excitement, etc) This makes one feel he is related,somehow, to the message being deciphered from said music. Lyrics can make or break the experience. However the indivual intakes the combination of the instrumentals and lyrics, will decide the message one is receiving.

I believe that what seperates good and bad music is the message the listener receives and how he feels about it.

My examples:
good: YouTube - As I Lay Dying-Within Destruction(real music video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwbTi9ip-_Y)
The riff at :20 makes feel empowered to do anything and not let a single soul stop me from attaining it.

bad: YouTube - Lil Wayne - A Milli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTF6N7EWzOA)
The repetiton of "a milli", my lack of interest in the lyrics, and my lack of respect for autotune, resolve this song as bad.

To each his own, that's why there are so many different genres and sub-genres of music. And why everone in the world argues, and will forever continue to argue, what passes as good music.

[Ynot]

i agree with eberg that personality plays a key part in what you like, but what also goes into play is how open you are to hearing different things. like i enjoy mainly rock and metal:

YouTube - Mastodon - Megalodon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6D-ys43DMo)[/URL]

but i also try to be open to other forms of music and have artists i like in different genres:

YouTube - The Temptations - Ain't Too Proud to Beg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9qUZHIpJAw)[/URL]
YouTube - Flash Light (Part 1)- Houston 1978 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbUP-skb7E)[/URL]
YouTube - Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEBGCOCxLgA)[/URL]
YouTube - Madness - One Step Beyond (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-uyWAe0NhQ)
YouTube - george benson - Take Five 1976 Montreux 1986 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn27IcAapPI&feature=rec-HM-r2)
YouTube - the Shins-"One by One All Day" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8X-AAh3Ils)

i guess i mostly like music that doesn't try to imitate and makes sounds not heard before or unusual in that situation. something else is that people shouldn't expect the same thing in every genre, i.e., just because a rapper isn't playing an instrument doesn't mean it's music, or just cause you can't understand metal growls.

i'm pretty sure that if alot of people here give different forms of music a chance, they can find something they like everywhere.

[CTskater94]

also, certain arrangements of notes can correspond to a certain emotion. ending on the natural minor can lead to a very minor sound, reminding you of a sad time etc. same for major. harmonic minor gives you a very evil sound, blues is bluesey, which to me sounds very sad but a very melancholy type of sadness. also going to to root of a minor scale, then going to the 7th of that scale then back to the root can give you a very epic feel.

i belive what makes music good is when these notes (and other techniques) are used to give the listener a feel for the emotion that the song is conveying. the more empathy the listener has, the more powerful and then "better" the song will be

[stinkingfish]

to me its all about the history behind the music. all music "attacks us", and gives us a first impression. but without context it's just noise. It's all about culture. listen to some middle eastern out of no where shit, you may get some of it but all in all you will never understand it like a local. similiarly a rapper would listen to punk rock and probally just hear guitar screeches and a simple drum beat. A punk would hear rap and just hear some dude talking about rims or money.

[Marevix]

I think good music is performed by people who truly love what they're doing, and have dedicated themselves to doing it the best way they can. Good music knows how to articulate pitches and their relation to one another to express itself and retain meaning. I guess that's my vague and brief way of explaining it.

[Stolleyman73]

I think that when you try to analyze something like this.....you're stupid.

[Tony]

I think that when you try to analyze something like this.....you're stupid.

This is kinda true, you can analyze people's emotions through biology, but trying to understand what happens when different rhytmic elements and vibrations in different frequencies evoke emotions within a human being is kinda stupid, it's not like we're gonna get a reasonable answer here on SB-C Philosophy forum if you know what I mean.

[Ynot]

I think that when you try to analyze something like this.....you're stupid.
so you mean to tell me you've never wondered what makes people gravitate towards certain types of music? or why you like what you like? or is it just because you find an open discussion that trys to go deeper than the surface of something stupid? music does evoke emotions and reactions in people, don't act like it doesn't.

besides, this is the philosophy forum, this place is for analyzing subjects like this and trying to find some kind of answer. hell, even if you don't, at least you get different opinions and points of view. if you don't like it, off topic is that way --->

[Tony]

music does evoke emotions and reactions in people, don't act like it doesn't.


I think he meant the same thing I did, he doesn't say music wouldn't ecoke emotions within people, but analyzing it is kinda hopeless here, I believe we won't get a reasonable answer to the question "why" here.

[Ynot]

I think he meant the same thing I did, he doesn't say music wouldn't ecoke emotions within people, but analyzing it is kinda hopeless here, I believe we won't get a reasonable answer to the question "why" here.
dude, it's the Philosphy forum, do you think any of the threads here reached a final conclusion? finding answers is important, but so is an open discussion and hearing everyone else's opinions.

[Tony]

Okay I'm open for all kinda ideas on this one let's see what we'll get.

also, certain arrangements of notes can correspond to a certain emotion. ending on the natural minor can lead to a very minor sound, reminding you of a sad time etc. same for major. harmonic minor gives you a very evil sound, blues is bluesey, which to me sounds very sad but a very melancholy type of sadness. also going to to root of a minor scale, then going to the 7th of that scale then back to the root can give you a very epic feel.

i belive what makes music good is when these notes (and other techniques) are used to give the listener a feel for the emotion that the song is conveying. the more empathy the listener has, the more powerful and then "better" the song will be

Bold one made me smirk a bit! I don't think you can separate notes from the chromatic/any scale and say this note does this and that note does that, it's too subjective and ALMOST all of the time has much much more to do with the background/other themes/harmony/whatnot of the song than just that one note/scale. Also, I've noticed the dynamics of a song may affect a listener emotionally much more than a note or a longer phrase even! Opeth's secret right there..?

[salvemaster]

I think he meant the same thing I did, he doesn't say music wouldn't ecoke emotions within people, but analyzing it is kinda hopeless here, I believe we won't get a reasonable answer to the question "why" here.


I don't think it's really about the 'why', in this situation. I mean, the music an individual likes completely revolves around their life, culture and personal preference, so asking why music has a certain effect on people is, arguably, stupid.

But we're not asking that question, we're asking what it is in music that you like, what you think makes it good.

I take comfort in two things; the theoretical aspect of music (the numbers) and the creative aspect of music (the anti-numbers). I know all about the circles of fifths and i've played my share of blues, hell i've even created a diatonic scale based on an augmented triad tonic, but i find that my favorite music comes from an artists' ability to use theory as a guideline, not a law.

I believe that music is a 'give and take' between an artist and a listener. I like that because no matter how you look at it, you can't define music except by what you feel for it.

So adressing adude's reply, i believe noise is music because it has the ability to evoke and recall emotion as well, if not better than, a song.

Personal example, last year was a really powerful time for me. I was enrolled in a creative writing class at my high school with a reamarkebly inspirational teacher, but it was a dark time too; i was burning like every other day that semester. I smoked alotta grass back then and i remember it really took a toll on my grades. But foreal? I wouldn't change a thing. My writing was immaculate, i was spitting shit like a motherfucking god and my CW teacher reccomended some of my stuff for publication.

But what defined this 'era' in my life was the dream-sequence middle section of the album 'electric ladyland'. It starts in a room on a stoned, rainy afternoon and slowly progresses to depict a devastating masterpiece of mankind's final retreat from himself to the sea (atlantis), and then slowly builds to a beautiful soundscape of the ocean as humans sink beneath the waves in an 'ungodly' machine, and finally back to the rainy afternoon.

But something about those songs man, whenever i hear them now, it's like i'm fucking there, sitting at that desk in that classroom a year and a half ago. So i guess sounds are music too, it's just that in some more modern music (here's my opinion, feel free to disagree) it's not as much about the sounds as it is the perfection of those sounds.

Fuck man, hendrix made those sounds with his guitar, he created a soundscape using the interference from studio headphones, he played a solo using a comb and ceran wrap, he picked people up off the street to record them making noise, he wrote guitar parts backwards. But all that shit can be done on the computeer today, idk.

I mean, when was the last time an album was released that took the listener on a true continuous adventure through the artist's own mental world of perception? Fuck it, albums these days are just a collection of singles so a band can get air time.

But that's just my opinion, and after all, music is what you take from it, and that's what this thread's about. So please, prove me wrong.

[the_unknown_soldier]

The personal preference of music is nothing more than a subjective matter. Some critique music based upon how complex the instrumentals are, as well with the exact contrary. Some prefer lyrics with a message, some prefer lyrics about essentially nothing, while some may even prefer no lyrics at all. There is no one definition for "good" music.

[CTskater94]

Okay I'm open for all kinda ideas on this one let's see what we'll get.



Bold one made me smirk a bit! I don't think you can separate notes from the chromatic/any scale and say this note does this and that note does that, it's too subjective and ALMOST all of the time has much much more to do with the background/other themes/harmony/whatnot of the song than just that one note/scale. Also, I've noticed the dynamics of a song may affect a listener emotionally much more than a note or a longer phrase even! Opeth's secret right there..?

hahah shudup mann i was reallly tired when writing that i remember. it took me a long time =[.


and when i meant certain notes i was just putting it in its simplist form. i really meant the whole peice all together can evoke certain emotions

[Tony]

I don't think it's really about the 'why', in this situation. I mean, the music an individual likes completely revolves around their life, culture and personal preference, so asking why music has a certain effect on people is, arguably, stupid.

But we're not asking that question, we're asking what it is in music that you like, what you think makes it good.

I take comfort in two things; the theoretical aspect of music (the numbers) and the creative aspect of music (the anti-numbers). I know all about the circles of fifths and i've played my share of blues, hell i've even created a diatonic scale based on an augmented triad tonic, but i find that my favorite music comes from an artists' ability to use theory as a guideline, not a law.

I believe that music is a 'give and take' between an artist and a listener. I like that because no matter how you look at it, you can't define music except by what you feel for it.

So adressing adude's reply, i believe noise is music because it has the ability to evoke and recall emotion as well, if not better than, a song.

Personal example, last year was a really powerful time for me. I was enrolled in a creative writing class at my high school with a reamarkebly inspirational teacher, but it was a dark time too; i was burning like every other day that semester. I smoked alotta grass back then and i remember it really took a toll on my grades. But foreal? I wouldn't change a thing. My writing was immaculate, i was spitting shit like a motherfucking god and my CW teacher reccomended some of my stuff for publication.

But what defined this 'era' in my life was the dream-sequence middle section of the album 'electric ladyland'. It starts in a room on a stoned, rainy afternoon and slowly progresses to depict a devastating masterpiece of mankind's final retreat from himself to the sea (atlantis), and then slowly builds to a beautiful soundscape of the ocean as humans sink beneath the waves in an 'ungodly' machine, and finally back to the rainy afternoon.

But something about those songs man, whenever i hear them now, it's like i'm fucking there, sitting at that desk in that classroom a year and a half ago. So i guess sounds are music too, it's just that in some more modern music (here's my opinion, feel free to disagree) it's not as much about the sounds as it is the perfection of those sounds.

Fuck man, hendrix made those sounds with his guitar, he created a soundscape using the interference from studio headphones, he played a solo using a comb and ceran wrap, he picked people up off the street to record them making noise, he wrote guitar parts backwards. But all that shit can be done on the computeer today, idk.

I mean, when was the last time an album was released that took the listener on a true continuous adventure through the artist's own mental world of perception? Fuck it, albums these days are just a collection of singles so a band can get air time.

But that's just my opinion, and after all, music is what you take from it, and that's what this thread's about. So please, prove me wrong.

So this thread is just another "what kinda music do you like and why" or something like that? Also, I just posted myself that the question "why" isn't coherent when talking of music, because a reasonable answer would not be given.

And from there on your post continues with your own personal experiences. I sure do disagree on the "bands just want air time", either you listen to music really narrow-mindedly or just can't understand it. Listen to music like Symphony X, Opeth, B.B.King, Dream Theater, Rush, Dimmu Borgir etc. I sure haven't heard any of that on radio.

Only the thought of discussing of music in this form gives me the headache, dunno why I really read the thread in the first place.

[salvemaster]

So this thread is just another "what kinda music do you like and why" or something like that? Also, I just posted myself that the question "why" isn't coherent when talking of music, because a reasonable answer would not be given.

And from there on your post continues with your own personal experiences. I sure do disagree on the "bands just want air time", either you listen to music really narrow-mindedly or just can't understand it. Listen to music like Symphony X, Opeth, B.B.King, Dream Theater, Rush, Dimmu Borgir etc. I sure haven't heard any of that on radio.

Only the thought of discussing of music in this form gives me the headache, dunno why I really read the thread in the first place.

Good for you. I'm not narrow minded in listening to music, you deff misunderstood me on that, i'm narrow minded in what i consider effects me emotionally.

I do listen to music like all of that which you just listed, actually, and wasn't really bashing any of them at all. By 'modern music', i meant jonas brothers type of stuff. And can you argue? I just can't see them making music for themselves, i can really only see them doing it for the attention.

But then again, what do i know about them? I'm really in no place to say, then again this is an opinion thread and if you can only add something like what you just did, then maybe it's you that's narrow minded.

Haha, and if you don't know why you opened this thread, then why are you replying to it?

[Tony]

Good for you. I'm not narrow minded in listening to music, you deff misunderstood me on that, i'm narrow minded in what i consider effects me emotionally.

I do listen to music like all of that which you just listed, actually, and wasn't really bashing any of them at all. By 'modern music', i meant jonas brothers type of stuff. And can you argue? I just can't see them making music for themselves, i can really only see them doing it for the attention.

But then again, what do i know about them? I'm really in no place to say, then again this is an opinion thread and if you can only add something like what you just did, then maybe it's you that's narrow minded.

Haha, and if you don't know why you opened this thread, then why are you replying to it?

You reeally got hooked on that narrow minded thing. :-D

First again, this reply of yours is stupid to begin with, I just had to say it sorry. There's no being narrow minded in what kind of music affects you emotionally, some music does and some doesn't, it's not something you decide.

I agree about Jonas Bros., can be dropped from the convo.

Next paragraph: contradiction. I posted an opinion concerning bands that still do music nowadays (NEW music) and implied that these bands don't do it for airtime-only purposes, but out of the love of making music. I added an opinion, and you said this thread exists almost solely for those + pondering about music. So I added an opinion and I shouldn't add anymore because I didn't contribute anything to the thread with it?

Last paragraph: You don't know why you eat every day but you still keep doing it.

[salvemaster]

You reeally got hooked on that narrow minded thing. :-D

First again, this reply of yours is stupid to begin with, I just had to say it sorry. There's no being narrow minded in what kind of music affects you emotionally, some music does and some doesn't, it's not something you decide.

I agree about Jonas Bros., can be dropped from the convo.

Next paragraph: contradiction. I posted an opinion concerning bands that still do music nowadays (NEW music) and implied that these bands don't do it for airtime-only purposes, but out of the love of making music. I added an opinion, and you said this thread exists almost solely for those + pondering about music. So I added an opinion and I shouldn't add anymore because I didn't contribute anything to the thread with it?

Last paragraph: You don't know why you eat every day but you still keep doing it.

Lmao, i eat every day to stay alive, i have a relatively good understanding of that.

I really don't want to start a fight in the forum dude, i didn't mean to dismiss your opinion if that's what you think i did, n i don't give a shit what you contribute to the forum (no offense) because that's your business, not mine.

But fuck dude, you're being ridiculously critical. "Your reply was stupid?" Don't start that kind of stuff man, that's just ignorant.

I am narrow minded in what music effects me emotionally because i can control how i perceive that music. I can't control what effect it has on me, but fuck it, if i don't respect something, i'm not gonna let it fuck with me.

Honestly, this thread is just a thing man, don't let it get to you. If you wanna criticize someone (much different than disagreeing with their opinion), then fuck dude, don't do it in a thread. I'd apologize but i'm not sure what i'd be apologizing for on this one.

[CTskater94]

arguing music is pointless, because everything is opnionated

[salvemaster]

^Yeah i got you. I'd say he started it, but that wouldn't change anything and i would prolly sound 3 haha.

Naw but seriously, i made the thread so people could share their take on music, not so we could argue about someone else's.

[Tony]

arguing music is pointless, because everything is opnionated

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Only a "share your thoughts on music" thread could've been done in the Music Section.

[Fudopi]

honsestly...

I have no idea why I like the music I do.

I do.

I'm a huge hip hop fan, I don't know why, most other genres just don't click for me.

Like, I've listened to a good bit of all sorts of rock type music, I don't dislike it, but I don't like it. It doesn't do anything for me.

but basically...

I think part of the reason is because I can relate to the lyrics, but I also listen to a lot of instrumentals, I love beats, and I play drums. If you asked me while I liked the drums and the rythms so much, I couldn't answer.

But something weird that I've noticed... I'm pretty sure no other big hip hop fans have posted in here cause I know they'd know what I mean, but whatever you guys might. Anyways. There's like 3 or 4 main cities that produce a lot of it, LA, NYC, Detroit, an then probably Chicago. And what's weird is, I'm from Detroit, and if you look at my 5 favorite artists, 4 of them are from Detroit. Then I have a friend from Los Angeles, and we were talkin, 4 of his 5 favorites are from Los Angeles.

That kinda makes me wonder why it works out like that.

Shit I hope that didn't sound real stupid...

But I'm pretty sure rock music doesn't do that... cause well, it doesn't mostly come from a couple different cities, as far as I know a lot of rock music isn't even from big cities... so yeah... I don't really know if you guys will get what I'm sayin.

[Marevix]

I mean, when was the last time an album was released that took the listener on a true continuous adventure through the artist's own mental world of perception? Fuck it, albums these days are just a collection of singles so a band can get air time.

Listen to Moonsorrow's "Viides Luku: Havitetty", if you can tolerate black-ish epic metal. I think it's one of the few heavy metal albums that venture into that deeper level of meaning within sound.

[Tony]

Listen to Moonsorrow's "Viides Luku: Havitetty", if you can tolerate black-ish epic metal. I think it's one of the few heavy metal albums that venture into that deeper level of meaning within sound.

You really need to move your ass over here to Finland.

[Iskatehard]

I can't help but asking myself "Exactly what makes music music?".. Sure we have definitions, yeah.. But many artists/songs/genres completely act opposite than what is suggested in said definitions..

That's worth thinking about. Might be worth asking is it possible for a song to be completely "bad".. First thought says no, and it's all subjective.

But maybe not. Maybe you can create a song that is completely bad, and nobody could like it.. I mean, research what sounds naturally annoy human ears and such (i.e chalkboard scratching) and then organize them to make a "song". Wouldn't THAT be completely bad?

If that's possible, you'd think it would be possible to make a song that's completely "good".. But eh, I don't know about that one

[Marevix]

You really need to move your ass over here to Finland.

You think I don't want that? Hell, I practically hate myself for missing Summer Slaughter (it's in Chicago, but I couldn't afford bus fare + tickets and nobody wanted to drive there) for a 7-song Ensiferum set. Necrophagist and Dying Fetus would have also been epic.

If I'm going to Finland though, I'm bringing a pound of choice nugs with me. I don't even know how what Finnish weed would be like.. For some reason, it wouldn't surprise me if Finnish weed has - like swirly horn-shaped buds, or thunderbolt-shaped stems or some other crazy shit.

[Iskatehard]

You think I don't want that? Hell, I practically hate myself for missing Summer Slaughter (it's in Chicago, but I couldn't afford bus fare + tickets and nobody wanted to drive there) for a 7-song Ensiferum set. Necrophagist and Dying Fetus would have also been epic.

If I'm going to Finland though, I'm bringing a pound of choice nugs with me. I don't even know how what Finnish weed would be like.. For some reason, it wouldn't surprise me if Finnish weed has - like swirly horn-shaped buds, or thunderbolt-shaped stems or some other crazy shit.

Hahaha, I actually had a chance to talk to a dude from Finland recently.. Got to know him somewhat well, too.

From what we talked.. I was a bit taken by surprise. According to him, weed and shit isn't that popular over there like it is here.. But eh, I'm not entirely sure if that's true, or what that might mean.. For some reason, I took it as the shit over there really might not be that good.

But shit, I've never been anywhere that has better shit than here, I have to say. My state always has the cheapest shit ($5 a gram, in case you wonder) and it's really good shit.. Certainly when compared to shit everywhere else that I've been.

[Tony]

You think I don't want that? Hell, I practically hate myself for missing Summer Slaughter (it's in Chicago, but I couldn't afford bus fare + tickets and nobody wanted to drive there) for a 7-song Ensiferum set. Necrophagist and Dying Fetus would have also been epic.

If I'm going to Finland though, I'm bringing a pound of choice nugs with me. I don't even know how what Finnish weed would be like.. For some reason, it wouldn't surprise me if Finnish weed has - like swirly horn-shaped buds, or thunderbolt-shaped stems or some other crazy shit.

PM me when you're coming over some day, I'll give you my phone number/gimme a call etc.

Weed is pretty underground in Finland, I haven't tried it too many times myself because of that. I should start up a similar overgrow project that one guy in Canada did haha

[Marevix]

PM me when you're coming over some day, I'll give you my phone number/gimme a call etc.

Weed is pretty underground in Finland, I haven't tried it too many times myself because of that. I should start up a similar overgrow project that one guy in Canada did haha

If (more like when, I'll make it happen somehow) I go to Finland, I probably won't be on this site any more, hahah. You Finns need to smoke up, imagine the kind of crazy shit you dudes would be playing baked off of some good hydroponic. It's always helped me write, I don't think I've come up with more than 1/3 of my usable music sober.

[Iskatehard]

Another thing about music appreciation to add..

Normally, I think the final product of something is all that should be really looked at.. At least in most cases. But upon messing with music myself and trying to make things sound good, but still coming up with absolute messes..

Sometimes I really do enjoy to sit and listen to some songs, even if I don't particularly enjoy their sound in the normal sense.. Just because I can listen to it and be like "Holy fuck, how did they do that!?" or "Wooa, that sound must have taken a million tries before they got it sounding so right", and the like..

[Lil T]

Honestly to me, what makes music good to the people that listen to it is the effects it gives us. Sometimes hearing certain lyrics or riffs will overcome me with such raw emotion and it hits me hard. I just think, Wow this is amazing.