This is my philosophy

[Iskatehard]

I think we're always developing values and foundations.. And of course, my ideas aren't concrete.. But for the moment being, this is exactly how I see life.. And until it develops elsewhere.. What else can I say?

Let me say.. I'm not religious. But I am very spiritual..

According to me and my philosophy, if you will.. There is no "god". There is no essence of complete good. There is however, more than what we see. I think we have "souls". They make up the "afterlife" and they are "us". They are what makes us who we are. But a "god"? Nah.. I think we simply create the idea of a single god because it's what we know. It's giving reality a "parent". It's giving it a "government". It's giving it a guiding force.. But, I don't think there is one..

Our souls.. If there is to be a "god".. It's us combined. We're all different in some sense or another, and we all have what I'd call a "value in what is". Our souls, our "minds", us.. We're the guiding force. We create in value, and we destroy.

So that aside.. There is no "good", no "evil".. Just being. And we're the being. This is what I mean when I say "there is no God".

But what else? What is life? Why do our souls live? Really, I'd bet anything that our souls live multiple lives. I guess you can say I believe in the traditional essence of "reincarnation". Why? Because, if we're the governing force of reality, if you will.. We are the deciding factor.. We naturally assume the responsibility to learn, if you will. To really learn is to comprehend, understand, and empathize. And unless we experience the foundations to do so, we can't. By learning, we understand.. By understanding, we create. At least in this specific context.

We don't mean to learn absolutely everything, of course. And as I said, the collection of all our souls is what we see as "god". Some parts know some things, and some know others. But whatever our souls intend to learn.. Might not be possible that it's achieved all in a single life. It's very possible somebody could interfere by mistake, or you could just fuck it up. We're "god", but we're not perfect (and as far as I care, perfection isn't a sound concept, and is simply a topless boundary some use as a drive, if you will).. Trial and error, you know... We can't just do it right the first go sometimes.. So...

And wouldn't that make sense? It's like skating.. You can try to do a kickflip, for example, but you also might fuck it up. You can try it and feel unsatisfied with the result, and feel you have to try again. Thus, you could feel dissatisfied with what you've learned, and feel you need to try it again.


But no aspect of "is" is more important than another. So we can't say one soul is more important or valuable than another..

In the grand scheme, the governing force is ourselves. Our souls. Our souls aren't perfect, but they're not quite bound by similar ideas such as humans are here on Earth. We've come to believe (by error of ourself, of course) that we NEED a natural guiding force. We need a parent. We need a government. But we control ourselves. We are one, but we are also individual. The collection of souls is that governing force. It's US taking responsibility, if you will, for US..

I know, I know.. How can we be "one" and argue? How can we be "one" and remain original and unique? You're not looking at it right, I don't think, if you're asking those questions.

The manor of our behavior and how we act on earth isn't completely reflective of our souls. Sometimes, if you're going to learn something.. You have to go in there with a clear train of thought. We don't carry knowledge into this world, as it might get in the way of achieving that specific goal concerning whatever it is you want to "learn".

And also.. Why bring all we know with us? Sometimes you have to start over in a sense to completely personally understand why certain things are bad. You know, we can say that the fact there is suffering and bad on this planet as evidence that there is no great force(s).. But.. I don't think that's why it is the way it is. It's for appreciation. It's for understanding. I really don't think we can comprehend the grand scheme of existence in human thought.

Our souls... However...




How does this pertain to life though? Should we really consider this, or just focus on doing what we're here to do? It's arguable.. But I know I'm going to act in how I compose myself based on this belief. And that's why it's an applicable philosophy (the only kind that matter in life, I'd say!)

By the above bit.. I understand that we're all completely equal, and we're all dependent on eachother in that sense.

I understand that we're all here on a "mission", if you will. And if we see somebody having a hard time, we should be willing to offer a hand. I don't mean with governmental support and shit, as that's just.. Eh.. An error.. But when you are driving down a street and you see somebody stuck.. Give them a hand, for our sake! We're learning, here.. Yeah.. And that's going to be hard, of course.. But if we are going to be doing it together.. We might as well offer a hand when we can, right?


I don't know.. It's weird. I don't know if I can even completely explain what I feel is the true case concerning existence. And I know there are questions to be asked.. Partly because human minds aren't completely capable of comprehending certain things.. And that's fact, mind you.

But it's odd, really. It's one of those things you think, and then you feel so sure that it's what it is. It feels like it HAS to be right. I don't know...

Anybody care to comment on that bit above? And I know it contrasts come traditional common religious statements, and I mean no offense, you know..

And I KNOW, I know.. I make a lot of fucking threads here.. But eh, I think this will be my last one for a while.. And honestly, most of the questions I've asked were in relation to the forming of this bit of thought.. And it's just.. Maybe it's simple arrogance misconception pride, if you will.. Or importance, of some sort.. But I swear to you and all that is of importance to me.. I've never felt more sure or confident about anything in my entire life. And in a sense, it was one of the most wild senses of achievement I think I've ever felt.

But then again, shit, I'm young.. So.. Take that with a grain of salt, yo.



Thanks for reading.. I'm REALLY interested in hearing some of your responses.. And sorry for the rush of threads I've made. I'll be done for now.

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And I'll add this.. As evidence to support my stopping in making threads. To show I've reached a philosophical state where I don't want to question and consider things because of my ideas.. I want to live and act upon them. It's right for me.

But you know two parties can argue with using logical fallacies to try to express an idea.. But really, if it's enough to convince a part into agreement.. It's not a fallacy anymore in said context.

Worth remembering..

[spanky_dan]

I read it, and I'm glad you've found something that you are so sure in, but I disagree simply for the fact that I don't believe collectively our souls learn and then once I physical bodies die, they are reincarnated into new ones which continue the learning or whatever you are trying to say.

I'm not trying to shoot down your thoughts, because really, you can't "prove" this wrong, but to me it sounds like a whole lot of contrived "overthought" on the nature of life. I'm glad you are going to go out and actually live, I think time will be better spent doing that than thinking about what it is (although if it pleases you more to do whichever, do that!).

Really, I think a lot of philosophy, especially existential (while important in making people think about why they are here) is a whole lot of hot air, although I think it's great that your philosophy relies on altruism, or that you are a proponent of it. If people shared a philosophy that was reliant on altruism, I'm sure the world would be a better place.

But whatever the world "is", to be blunt, it doesn't care for your philosophy, it simply exists, hanging in time, forever moving forward through change. You are simply a piece in it's puzzle, you'll never know what that amounts to, and while you can think as hard as you can, the answer will never be known.

Hell, that could be perceived as my philosophy of existence, but mine can't be disputed, it's more based on reality and what is fact (minus the never understanding part). It is my belief that no one, whilst living, will ever know why we are here. Philosophers would be a whole lot more handy if they could give us the answer from beyond the grave, something finite. But then that's moving off on a tangential philosophy of an afterlife...


To me your philosophy sounds like something you'd hear in relation to the New Age movement of spirituality and philosophy, but if it is what you can find your faith in and it doesn't interfere/hurt with everyone else attempting the same as you - to try and understand/discover what "this", life, is - then you are doing much better than a lot of people out there.

[Iskatehard]

Fair points.

I'll go ahead and say that the reincarnation isn't a completely necessary act. It's more based on whether or not the soul thinks they figured things out "right enough". If they did, then they wouldn't have to come back to try to learn again. I guess it's similar to some formal education courses. We see people pass them with grades like.. A "D" for example. While it's passing, they still sometimes consider retaking the course.

Just saying that, though. I didn't know if it seemed like reincarnation was a forced act, or if it seemed like I was saying it took effect right after death..

[Mixed feelings]

I have friends that believe this sort of thing, but I personally do not.

I just believe we live and die, that we are just essentially animals. The way I see things, there really isn't a meaning of life or a meaning in things. I don't believe in souls or god or anything. It seems to me like everything is paper thin. There's just a visible layer of what we see and know and beyond that there is nothing. And people trying to find god and other beings is just a way for them to cope with there being no greater cause.

We really are essentially animals. I can't see what would make us spiritually superior then a rabbit. So, the whole soul thing I just can't really fathom. It doesn't make sense to me.

It may seem like a negative view, but it's helped me do things I wouldn't normally do. It's my, 'I've got nothing to lose' attitude.

[749IVLIFESKATER]

Because you'll probably delete the other thread:
I agree and disagree with some parts. Because of the background I come from I can not believe the part about there not being one single God, although I can't prove that what I'm saying is correct, that's frankly what I believe. I believe that there is a higher power, it might not be a man, although that's what I've been taught, it might just be a feeling or a soul like one of us but nonetheless I believe there is something, a single something, not a collection of somethings. But I've always had trouble with why there has to be so many religions, so I guess I can say that the reincarnation part makes a whole lot of sense. I find it difficult to believe that this one lifetime is all we get out of our souls and our minds. I believe we are all equally important to God, and that the amount of money, power, or fame someone has doesn't put them any higher on God's list. But that also goes back to my believing in a single God, so that's half agreeing, half disagreeing with your theory. And one last thing, we should all help each other, because in the end I believe if we don't, we're fucking over mankind as a whole.

[Iskatehard]

I appreciate your guy's responses.

To Mixed Feelings:

I agree we're essentially the same as other forms of life such as animals.. But I think on a spiritual level, it's a bit different. Might seem shady, though.

I say this because of our nature being so drastically different. Some people prefer to call it "intellect", but eh... I don't think that's quite the same thing I'm referring to. But from looking at the many forms of life and how they interact, and then compare it to that of humans.. Hm.. Something seems to be different, and whatever that something is.. It's pretty big, I'd say. As bad as it might sound, the fact that they rely solely on nature to be their deciding factors, it's possible to think they lack that element of a "soul" which is the source of the "unique" value in humans.

But yeah, simply as life.. We're equal. We can't say the physical pains we suffer from are any more significant than that of a rabbit, I would suppose.. But shit, as much as we say that.. We really hardly express it.

But that's kind of a different topic, I think.


And to Lifeskater:


I see where you're coming from.. But it's odd.. You talked about our souls being equally important to God as a default of existence (that's how I took it, anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong, though). I agree that we're all equal in value.. But then, how the hell can God be more important than us? I don't know.. When I think of what a "soul" is, and what I feel it is.. It just doesn't seem possible that there be a force ultimately more important than it.

And in a sense, that's a big driving factor that leads me to personally believe there isn't a specific and single "god".. And we've seen similar events in humanity, I think.. A king who rules a nation on his own, perhaps. Does it seem right? Is he better than his subjects? Meh...



I don't think my being is the most important thing in existence.. But I also don't think there is anything more important than my being, either..



And.. Not trying to belittle your beliefs or anything, mind you. I sincerely mean that, and whatever you feel is right, then follow it with all you can.

But.. And maybe it's just the way I read your post.. It seems like you're partially basing your believing in a single "God" simply because that's what your ancestors believed, or something similar.. Relative to your community, perhaps. And it also seems that a large portion of traditional religions which are popular today are based off of religions which were polytheistic.

May I ask why you think that there would be a single specific body of existence which is in and of itself, and how it could be naturally more important than our souls?

But yeah, again, not trying to say you're wrong for thinking what you do with my questions or some shit, really. I'd just like to hear your take on this situation concerning that aspect, if cool.

[estreetcrew]

Did you read my response in the thread in GOT that got closed?

[Iskatehard]

Here's what I believe...

There is a God. Once accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord saviour, you are saved from the burning lakes of fire known as Hell. Once you die you will be judged by God on what you did with your life, whether you praised him, or went against him. God knows everything you'll do in life...past, present, future. He knows when you'll sin before you do it, if by asking for forgiveness and giving your life to God he will wash away your sins, and come judgment day (when you die) those sins will be erased and you wont have to worry about them. Becoming saved is the best thing you can do with your life in my opinion, and once truly believing in Jesus as our Lord savior, you will never have to worry about going to Hell. PRAISE JESUS!!!!

Some text book quality stuff, right there.

I understand the concept of that.. And I see where it comes from and such.. But I just have a hard time personally believing that there would be a single entity more important than that of myself.. And something that would judge me in such a nature.

And I also don't completely understand the "Jesus" bit. If God knew how humanity will play out.. Why would he put us here on Earth.. And then send in Jesus to interject and impact? Would that be a sign we were in a bad direction? Or could there be a "bad direction" to be figured up, considering God knew it would happen to begin with. Why not give us Jesus at the start of it all?

My issue with that idea specifically is more the lack of equality than anything else... I mean... The whole perfection bit being defined.. And good being defined. It just doesn't seem to fit in my specific ideas of what reality is. And if we're products of God, why wouldn't we be perfect also? And if we're products of God and we are of flaws, wouldn't we be proof that God isn't "perfect"?

It's like.. How could a band be perfect if they created a shitty song, in a way...

But it's very possible my idea of reality is "hurt" by modern society and it's structure and behavior. Perhaps my lack of understanding of the idea of lacking equality is more me not accepting it.. I can't rule it out completely, because nothing is truly impossible, in a way.. But until I can understand it, it's somewhat hard to act upon it.


I think there are probably some very sound values to be taken in religion ideas like that.. But I think a large portion of what makes those ideas what they are were added in over large periods of time, and basically in the interest in a specific party in the sense of control being had over others. Competition, in a way...



But shit.. I can't sit here and tell you it's wrong, of course. And if that's what you believe, then follow it with all of which you are, y'know.. But I personally don't agree with it.. At least not at the moment..

[Skateselect]

But a "god"? Nah.. I think we simply create the idea of a single god because it's what we know. It's giving reality a "parent". It's giving it a "government". It's giving it a guiding force..
i just posted something like this as a reason why anarchy wouldnt last and why people feel the need governments; a guiding force, protector

[Iskatehard]

But when we try to personify our desires and wishes in the way of appointing people to act them out for us.. It's a bit shallow.

We're our own government.. When you really break it down. We decide what we do and don't do. We guide ourselves as we see fit, regardless

[salvemaster]

But shit.. I can't sit here and tell you it's wrong, of course. And if that's what you believe, then follow it with all of which you are, y'know.. But I personally don't agree with it.. At least not at the moment..


I don't think anyone should agree with that kind of zeal; there is always room for err and if you don't allow that room, your pretty much damning yourself to hell (and i don't mean that religiously at all). But a belief is a belief, and if you believe it then believe the shit outta it cause pretty soon it's gonna be all we got left.

What you were describing in your 'philosophical manifesto' above seems to me like a more spiritually animistic take on agnosticism lol

[Iskatehard]

I don't think anyone should agree with that kind of zeal; there is always room for err and if you don't allow that room, your pretty much damning yourself to hell (and i don't mean that religiously at all). But a belief is a belief, and if you believe it then believe the shit outta it cause pretty soon it's gonna be all we got left.

What you were describing in your 'philosophical manifesto' above seems to me like a more spiritually animistic take on agnosticism lol

Very well put. I certainly agree with that first paragraph. No idea is completely perfect.. At least not in this sense, anyway.. And even if it is "perfect" and all correct, we can't be completely sure.. So you gotta be open and weigh all your options, if you will..

And I see what you mean about the spiritually animistic take of an agnostic sense.. But eh, I really kind of wanted to define it a bit. Seems like in modern day, words like "agnosticism" are so fucking empty.. As is spirituality for that matter. At least, it seems like it.

I just wanted to try to word my idea, y'know.. No specific need for it.. But eh.. I guess it's just reassuring when you have an idea, and it seems good, and then when you write it out and read it and it still seems right...

[salvemaster]

I just wanted to try to word my idea, y'know.. No specific need for it.. But eh.. I guess it's just reassuring when you have an idea, and it seems good, and then when you write it out and read it and it still seems right...


I guess all we have are our ideas, and if we can be content in writing them down and hoping that we touch someone (no homo) in the process, then maybe we're coming just a step closer to understanding what the fuck we're doing here.

And i understand the whole 'i want to try to word my idea' thing, i find that suiting a thought to a specific webster definition is worse than not having a thought at all.

[Skateselect]

the animistic take on agnosticism seems dead on, and i also agree that terms like agnostic are losing their meaning nowadays. one thing I've just realized is that your entire idea is a unique and interesting mash up of various ideals and religions, plus some very original ideas. it is very John Locke-esque, emphasizing the general goodness and sincerity of humans and human nature. the concept of reincarnation of souls is much like buddhism and hinduism. and i might dare to add that the part where we believe we need a government to rule us and guide us almost sounds like parts of satanism. your original ideas build off of these. one of the parts that i really liked was the fact that you gave life a purpose, to learn

[spanky_dan]

Here's what I believe...

There is a God. Once accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord saviour, you are saved from the burning lakes of fire known as Hell. Once you die you will be judged by God on what you did with your life, whether you praised him, or went against him. God knows everything you'll do in life...past, present, future. He knows when you'll sin before you do it, if by asking for forgiveness and giving your life to God he will wash away your sins, and come judgment day (when you die) those sins will be erased and you wont have to worry about them. Becoming saved is the best thing you can do with your life in my opinion, and once truly believing in Jesus as our Lord savior, you will never have to worry about going to Hell. PRAISE JESUS!!!!

Just a couple of questions:

1. If God knows our every action; past, present and future, doesn't that mean he preordains what we do (as a side note, how could you know what would happen yet sit back and do nothing?), and if that is the case, couldn't it be implied through his ultimate knowledge of everything and everyone - outside of time - that if only some people go to heaven, he has chosen those to do that, whilst condemning the others to hell. Doesn't that seem a little unfair? Isn't it a little ungodly to love some enough to save them, but burn others?

Predestination - explain to me your thoughts on that.

2. Do you think Gandhi deserves to burn eternally with Hitler?

[749IVLIFESKATER]

I appreciate your guy's responses.

And to Lifeskater:


I see where you're coming from.. But it's odd.. You talked about our souls being equally important to God as a default of existence (that's how I took it, anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong, though). I agree that we're all equal in value.. But then, how the hell can God be more important than us? I don't know.. When I think of what a "soul" is, and what I feel it is.. It just doesn't seem possible that there be a force ultimately more important than it.

And in a sense, that's a big driving factor that leads me to personally believe there isn't a specific and single "god".. And we've seen similar events in humanity, I think.. A king who rules a nation on his own, perhaps. Does it seem right? Is he better than his subjects? Meh...



I don't think my being is the most important thing in existence.. But I also don't think there is anything more important than my being, either..



And.. Not trying to belittle your beliefs or anything, mind you. I sincerely mean that, and whatever you feel is right, then follow it with all you can.

But.. And maybe it's just the way I read your post.. It seems like you're partially basing your believing in a single "God" simply because that's what your ancestors believed, or something similar.. Relative to your community, perhaps. And it also seems that a large portion of traditional religions which are popular today are based off of religions which were polytheistic.

May I ask why you think that there would be a single specific body of existence which is in and of itself, and how it could be naturally more important than our souls?

But yeah, again, not trying to say you're wrong for thinking what you do with my questions or some shit, really. I'd just like to hear your take on this situation concerning that aspect, if cool.

It's definitely possible that I am basing my beliefs of my ancestry and community, for the sheer fact that I was brought up into beveling the things I believe. I'm not forced into it by any means but when you're surrounded by something, it sort of, sticks to you.

I think that while maybe the Catholic God I believe in, might not be God per say, I do think there's something higher than us, and while some people believe it's Buddah, exc. I believe God is Jesus' Father. I believe in Jesus because of my religion and believe he is more important in himself then us because of what he did for us. As for why God is more important, I couldn't really begin to explain why I believe that, at times I think we just needed something to believe in but I've seen miracles and things happen, and I always go back to the un-doubtful thought that there is a God, and that it's the God I believe in, although I could be completely and totally wrong.

I recently read the book "The Shack" which honestly confirmed the belief in me that there is a God but maybe not the God some of us see, or would like to see. It really goes against the grain and the "norm" to show that God doesn't have to be one single solitary person, not black nor white, not man nor female, just something, it could be a feeling, or anything, but it's something. In the book God is perceived as a white man, a black woman, and a Asian woman, but he's split up into all three, they are all equally a part of God, now I don't know if that's right or wrong, but it's something to ponder.

All and all, I don't think you're trying to belittle my beliefs, and I don't mind sharing what I think. I'm not by any means a person who shoots down other religious beliefs or lack there of, I think people believe what people believe. As much as I would like to be really honestly, completely understanding of the Bible, I'm just not, I feel I'm slightly too young to get it all, and when I'm supposed to I will. So if I'm not answering your questions 100% I apologize, and it may seem sort of odd that I could be involved in a religion but not know it all the way, but to me that isn't what any religion or belief is about, I believe that if I feel something deep down, and I know it exists, then whether I've read the whole Bible or not, doesn't really matter, because it's what I believe.

[Iskatehard]

2. Do you think Gandhi deserves to burn eternally with Hitler?

I don't know if this is right because I might have simply misunderstood what somebody told me a while back..

Isn't the bit about Hell in Christianity specifically for those "evil", and that a soul which is good but not accepting of God would in return not go to Heaven, but also not go to Hell? They go the the less painful "Limbo", or something like that?

Might be wrong and that's not how it's confused.. But I remember hearing that was an aspect of Christianity.. But shit, you really don't hear about it a whole lot..

[Snake]

http://www.amazon.com/reader/0679763996?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_dp_pt#reader


read this
then form your philosophy

[Iskatehard]

That book sounds more like a philosophy itself, rather than a source to consider when forming your own.. In a way.

Of course, I realize that that could be said about most any philosophy... But all the questions that book approaches are your usual questions in the sense of human behavior, I think..

Not downing it or anythng.. I haven't read it, so I might be wrong. And even if I am right in that sense, it could still have amazing ideas to it.

[codycantskate]

well this is a really interesting topic.
normaly i wouldent even comment on this type of thing but i really dont belive in a "god" and i just spent 8 hours at a fucking retreat for my confirmation which i dont want to make because Organized religion is shady as it gets i mean like they tell us "do this or you burn in hell" and then they have the preachers who preach as if they KNOW what we Have to do with out lives or else your not gona end up anywhere and personaly I dont even belive in all of that heaven and hell stuff i mean Your dead your not gona come back and tell us about it so how do we know it exists

[Snake]

Of course, I realize that that could be said about most any philosophy... But all the questions that book approaches are your usual questions in the sense of human behavior, I think..

Except that it actually provides reasonable answers to the questions, which is more than can be said about typical philosophy abstract bullshit.

Look into evolutionary psychology. Its the best thing out there so far that explains why we act the way we do. Its essential that you atleast read that one book before you form an opinion about humans.

[Iskatehard]

well this is a really interesting topic.
normaly i wouldent even comment on this type of thing but i really dont belive in a "god" and i just spent 8 hours at a fucking retreat for my confirmation which i dont want to make because Organized religion is shady as it gets i mean like they tell us "do this or you burn in hell" and then they have the preachers who preach as if they KNOW what we Have to do with out lives or else your not gona end up anywhere and personaly I dont even belive in all of that heaven and hell stuff i mean Your dead your not gona come back and tell us about it so how do we know it exists

It's really hard to look to modern organized religion to answer any questions like that, I think. Modern organized religion is corrupt now, I believe. It constantly is evolved by humans for reasons to persuade others to follow and essentially gain an element of mass control in some sense or another.

We can look back and see quite a few cases where the government and church are very close.. And you kind of have to wonder what exactly would create that bond, sometimes. Especially because we can be sure it wasn't a natural thing. The church, in a way, worked it's way into the position it was by proposing new ideas to the public, if you will.


Now, I'm not saying there's no sound foundations in some religions. And I'm not saying they are right or wrong, at least not in this post specifically.. But, I really think the actions of humans in the past hurt the credibility of the ideas of most structured religions, simply in the sense that the ideas are inconsistent over time.


I think if you really want to come up with an idea and have "faith" in it.. You're going to have to think for yourself. You have to come to your own matter of understanding, it can't be a product of somebody else being put upon you. It's a very personal matter, and we have to develop it within ourselves, I think.

I would think a party in power over people because of a religious idea wouldn't like that idea, because it could take away from their power, if you will. So, they might see a need in creating/adding more details to a specific religion that would argue against relying on yourself for answers...

Religion is up to you.. We all should believe what we feel is right, and we should respect the ability. I really don't understand churches, you know? Why the hell should any human lead a religious movement? Why should we create physical places and create structured orders to place importance on humans for the sake of religion?

Doing that distances individuals from the ideas of a specific religion, I think.. And if we are of something, spiritually, in this sense.. We should be able to access it and appreciate it completely with ourselves.. No need to collect people in a specific place and parade ideas, I think...

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But note what I mean by "parade".. I think it's okay to voice your opinions and idea. Even if people aren't taking it under consideration, it helps you further decide if you feel it's right or not. Thinking something and then saying something.. They can lead to different mindsets, somehow... But if we can express ideas and thoughts mutually, then all power to it.

But once it crosses over those lines of "mutually"... Eh... No thanks. Offer me thoughts and ideas, sure.. But don't try to make the decision of accepting/considering them for me..

[spanky_dan]

I don't know if this is right because I might have simply misunderstood what somebody told me a while back..

Isn't the bit about Hell in Christianity specifically for those "evil", and that a soul which is good but not accepting of God would in return not go to Heaven, but also not go to Hell? They go the the less painful "Limbo", or something like that?

Might be wrong and that's not how it's confused.. But I remember hearing that was an aspect of Christianity.. But shit, you really don't hear about it a whole lot..

Nah, you're either with God or you are against him. It's all or nothing. If you aren't a child of God, you are his enemy (but he still loves you!).

You might be getting confused with Sheol, some Christians believe that when you die, your soul is taken to a place which is not heaven or hell - possibly the "limbo" you have heard of - where it remains until the second coming of Jesus and the ensuing Judgment Day, which is when Christians shall be resurrected and non-Christians condemned to hell.

[codycantskate]

. I really don't understand churches, you know? Why the hell should any human lead a religious movement? Why should we create physical places and create structured orders to place importance on humans for the sake of religion?

Doing that distances individuals from the ideas of a specific religion, I think.. And if we are of something, spiritually, in this sense.. We should be able to access it and appreciate it completely with ourselves.. No need to collect people in a specific place and parade ideas, I think...
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exactly i dont really think a single human should be high authority in a religion (such as the pope) because humans are falable and the past has proven that many times over