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Iskatehard
06-21-2009, 04:51 PM
The meaning of life? One question humanity has pondered on for countless pieces of time.

But let's be realistic. What the hell is "meaning", really? And where do we look for the answer? Nature? And is that really the correct question to be asking? I don't think it is. Fact is, this world is a very different place. Nature isn't the main force anymore, it's humans. We're the ultimate governing force around these parts now.

So let's throw that question out the window. Let's find something a bit more relevant. How about, what are our responsibilities as humans? Maybe that makes more sense. I think so.

Still, quite a broad question still. Perhaps we should try to narrow it down further. What factors should we consider in figuring out the "responsibility of humans"? I've got an answer, I believe. Respect.

Where is this going? Who should we respect, and how? I think I know. The people before us.

I think we should look at it like this. Throughout the history of humans.. People have died. A lot of people have died. And a large amount did so in contribution to what humanity is today. Is that right? Maybe, maybe not. But it isn't a matter about being right or wrong. It's a matter of what IS. And this is what it is.

So. How do we respect those people? We don't know them, they're dead and gone, right? No, I don't think so. Sure, the names of the people passed don't refer to them any longer. Their intellect will become "obsolete" over the development of humanity. Their body is decomposed. Their clothes are out of style. There is hardly anything remaining. Except, one thing.. And that's the current condition of humanity today.

But still, how does this relate to the ultimate responsibility we have as humans? I'll tell you. Those people who have died.. We can't tell what they thought the future would hold, specifically. But they expected it to be more valuable then themselves.

Now.. Look at somebody taking their last breaths. You can't observe them and their doings and conclude whether or not they were "important". You can't figure up the actual value of their existence. But, you CAN determine the value of one life, and that's of your own.

I think as humans it's a responsibility we are born with to lead a live which justifies those who've died so we may live in such a manor. Sure, we didn't ask for it.. But we were born with it. If you don't agree with it, then it's almost too bad.. Refer to the classic quote "Nobody said life is always fair". We might not agree, but what's done is done, and we should respect it.

Considering like I said, we can't determine exactly what said people dying had in mind.. We have to assume the responsibility on ourselves to figure it out. We have to put life into the perspective we live with everyday to make sense of it. We have to learn what we think is worth dying for, and we have to do it. That is the only way we can really justify those who've died to make us what we are. (whether we like who and what we are or not).

Everybody, at some point or another, is going to look back at what's happened in their lives. They'll consider all they know and all they can understand. And when you look back for the last time you will in your life, you have to believe that what you are is worth the deaths of those before us. If you find that it isn't, then.. You've failed to fulfill your responsibility as a human in modern day society.

Death is a pretty damn big thing. It's the end, I think. Once you die, you're done. You're not going to toss anything else into the collection of creations of humanity as a whole. So we have to find the things that we feel more strongly about over anything else, and we have to excel at those things. Because it's not exactly easy to find something that's worth dying for, you know. And sometimes, you have to consider only the things of utmost importance to you are worth it, thus excelling in that subject is how you personally justify those who've died for you. To take whatever it is that matters the most to you and "do it"
is the only way to properly say "thank you". What good would it be to live and fulfill things that aren't the most important to you? Surely you'll feel at some point or another you've really just wasted your time.

You have to respect it when people give for your behalf. And death is the one thing that can't be "undone". Thus, it's worth the most respect. Your responsibility in life is to respect those before you, and only you can know how to really say "thanks".


That's my take on it, roughly. I don't know if it's right or not, and I don't know if it's logical. But we can all agree the only person that can determine if our life was of value is ourselves. And if you're looking back at your life for the last time (whether you know it or not) and you don't feel like you've justified those before you, then the trade they made to society wasn't fair. They gave their life and you didn't fulfill the expectations.

And shit, since life can be cut out at anytime.. You really have to make a constant effort to continually be satisfied with yourself and what you've done. You can't put it off. You can't think "okay, okay.. I'm going to finish highschool, take these courses, do this and that, and then get out in the world and be somebody." 'Cause if you die before you get to the "be somebody" part, then it's all going to be in vein, right?


Perhaps this a bit headstrong. Perhaps the real question isn't "what is the responsibility we have as a human?" and I'm looking at it wrong. But maybe this will make sense to people. I don't know if it's right or not.. But looking at it like this just makes me feel guilty for not being content with my life and thinking the trade those before me have made was fair. I haven't done anything to justify the deaths of those before me who helped make what we are today (be it directly or indirectly). And if I died right now, then holy shit, I'd have to apologize to too many people.


Thoughts on that idea? Perhaps you know why it's not a good way to take life in this sense? What if we don't have the self-esteem (if you will, perhaps this isn't the best word) to feel we've justified those before us?

Toke_It_Up
06-21-2009, 07:00 PM
I see what you mean. So you mean try to forfill everything that you would like to accomplish while you can and try your hardest because you never know when the unexpected is going to happen and you die.

I thought it was really true when you said to respect those before us because if you think about their past life experiences obviously have seen more than us and know more so always respect what they say. By saying that i don't mean to be their bitch and do what they say but to always listen to what they have to say. Whether they be only 5 years older than you or 50 years older than you you should always respect their opinion.

And by the question "what is our responsibility as human beings?", I think whatever our goals are in life are whether it be a huge thing or a small thing. Also to do our best to help society and always help others.

I think we've reached peace with ourselves when you can look back and say you wouldn't take one thing back in your live and you accomplished most everything you wanted too. that i think is when we have reached peace with ourselves.

Iskatehard
06-21-2009, 11:05 PM
Yeah, essentially it breaks into the basic "do your best at life" idea, but I guess it's got some sort of a guilt factor to push you, I guess.

And I mean, that's not specifically why it's there.. I mean, the guilt shit. I just think it's natural to look at it in that fashion.

It'd be pretty bizarre to go back and meet the people who've died for the things that they thought were best for society. And I couldn't imagine one of them looking at me specifically and saying how they expected so much more.

And really, who knows? It's hard to say what X person had in mind X amount of years ago. I think it's safe to assume that society has developed very quickly, and very oddly, if you will. I mean, go back a few hundred years, and I don't think anybody would explain what we are today as what they expect.

But it seems like whoever died whenever.. They risked their lives because they thought that the future would be of proper value for doing so. I guess we can't say if it is or isn't.. And we can't ask those who've died.. So, we just have to think about what's of "value" to us, or else we couldn't understand it at all, I guess. Maybe, anyway. That's what I think. Maybe somebody can make more sense of it though without relating it to their personal lives.

And yeah, I sort of think every decision somebody makes.. If it were broken down, it should in some sense or another relate to "respect". If you're doing something and it's completely void of "respect" to every party, then.. How can it be a good act? And in a way I guess it could be broken down into the "golden rule" idea.. I personally know that whatever I do with myself, I want people to try to respect it if nothing else.. So, I have to offer the same in return (whether I feel like I'm getting respect myself or not).


But yeah, it's wild to think about my life as it is right at this moment. And consider what I'd feel if I were to die. I'm personally not very satisfied with my life in some senses. I really need to "fix it up" as soon as possible.

And meh, like I mentioned in OP. You see people doing the same shit every day. They seem to think "Yeah, get through school. Get some post highschool education. Get out, and do something with myself". That takes years and years.. So, I mean.. You put of "doing something with yourself" for 20-something years.. What makes you so sure you're as committed as you might think you are? If you can put something off for 20+ years, then you sure as hell could put it off another 20+ years, even if you don't really believe you are at the moment.

Fuck that =\

HigH-FloW
06-21-2009, 11:14 PM
Holy shit, you wrote alot

Iskatehard
06-21-2009, 11:29 PM
Holy shit, you wrote alot

Haha, the first "wow you wrote a bunch" comment. The first of many on this subforum, I'm sure.

Purple Skater
06-21-2009, 11:30 PM
Ya I was going to finally read these threads and write a couple essays in this forum tonight, but I don't wanna be staying up for another hour and a half on SBC, so I'll save it for tomorrow haha.

king
06-22-2009, 12:11 AM
whoa they actually made this forum

also, is it sad that i had to spellcheck "whoa"?

Fudopi
06-22-2009, 07:18 PM
You ain't livin if you tryna find the meaning of life.

skateron NC 539
06-22-2009, 07:37 PM
That was so fucking sick, I have infinite love for you at the moment.
I think that's a good take too, it made a lot of sense to me.

SkateTilldaDeath
06-22-2009, 07:53 PM
That was sick, just reading about these kinds of things really put things into perspective. Sometimes people get so caught up in little things that they never really think about this kind of stuff, and it was interesting reading about it. I like what your take on the subject is as well.

CTskater94
06-22-2009, 07:54 PM
the meaning of life is to reach biological perfection, i.e. immortality etc etc


or, some say the meaning of life is to be happy. but really, what is happy? happy is only the perception of the presence of a chemical in the brain. great.



and i would also like to comment on what you said about death. this idea is not my own, but i do strongly agree with it. take the theory of the big bang into perspective; everything came from one single block of matter. therefore, we are all one, no matter how far away we may seem, everything in the entire universe is connected. death is merely a transition into another phase. its not necisarily the end. life is only an illusion, a perception. therefore, so is death. really, everything is nothing, only different perceptions of things around you. you create the universe when you touch taste hear smell and see it. but, as we know from everyday occurence, we can trick our senses into falling into a false reality, for example dreams. we dont know whats real, but knowing isnt really anything either.

very very complicated, very very hard concept to explain. i tried.

Iskatehard
06-22-2009, 08:26 PM
Good point on the bit of putting the Big Bang into perspective on it.. Thinking of it like that, and what with the rule of conservation and such.. We're really just composed of recycled matter, and we'll inevitably be recycled again... And again, and again, and again...

Haha, but when I get to thinking of that.. I get lost in thought of the endless possibilities of where the matter that composes 'me' has been prior.

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And thanks for the support on the idea.. I'm kind of glad I didn't get a bunch of posts as to why we shouldn't worry so much of the people who've died before us (Though I've heard it plenty of times, and I can understand where the people are coming from)

And ha, Fudopi is right, I think. It's fun/worth it, I think.. To sit back and possibly reconsider some of the foundations that end up resulting in whatever your standard for "worth" and "value" and such is.. But it's not going to be worth anything if it's all you do. But damn, sometimes I think of that and I'm like "fuck.. I really wish that weren't the case"

CTskater94
06-22-2009, 08:33 PM
yeah normally when we think of 'me' we think of things that we generally deem non physical, yet most of the time they end up being quite physical when looked at in the simplest way

Iskatehard
06-22-2009, 08:46 PM
Yeah.. And I suppose it could be a strong connection between what is and isn't physical. Or possibly something else.. I really dunno..

Shit, to be honest, I don't know enough about the conservation of matter to know how it gets passed along. I mean, I don't know if the majority of the matter in Earth stays in Earth, or if it gets leaked from the atmosphere.. And I dunno if a large bit of matter comes through the atmosphere and gets here..

We're probably more made of recycled things on this planet, rather than recycled bits from all over the universe, or something. But eh, the stuff that made this planet (and IS this planet, for that matter) had to come from all over the universe, right? Shit, I really don't know much about that. Kinda wish I did.

adude113
06-23-2009, 08:26 AM
42. But really, coming at it from a secular aspect, I think the majority of humans could agree that it would be nice for others to just help the entire human population. Depending on the situation of the individual human, they might have different views. But without bringing religion into it, I really don't know what to say.

the meaning of life is to reach biological perfection, i.e. immortality etc etc


or, some say the meaning of life is to be happy. but really, what is happy? happy is only the perception of the presence of a chemical in the brain. great.



and i would also like to comment on what you said about death. this idea is not my own, but i do strongly agree with it. take the theory of the big bang into perspective; everything came from one single block of matter. therefore, we are all one, no matter how far away we may seem, everything in the entire universe is connected. death is merely a transition into another phase. its not necisarily the end. life is only an illusion, a perception. therefore, so is death. really, everything is nothing, only different perceptions of things around you. you create the universe when you touch taste hear smell and see it. but, as we know from everyday occurence, we can trick our senses into falling into a false reality, for example dreams. we dont know whats real, but knowing isnt really anything either.

very very complicated, very very hard concept to explain. i tried.
About the whole "happy" business, I don't believe that human emotions or whatever are just chemicals/biology. Like there's the scientific way of looking at it like you are, but it could just be that those chemicals are just a side effect of the happy emotion. But then again, (I'm not sure about this) I guess you can create "artificial happiness" with like injecting those chemicals. You could say that's messing with nature, maybe, but that's a whole nother discussion anyway.

But I used to look at it the way you are, with humans just being all of what makes them up, kinda like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism) or like a version of that in which being conscious is synonymous with that. But recently, I've started thinking that maybe that's the case with animals, but I think that humans kinda have something more than that. Like I guess you can prove everything if you look into our brains and nervous systems and whatever, but I think our emotions, consciousness, etc. go above just physical properties that we can observe.

SysEx
06-23-2009, 08:58 AM
A friend of mine were having an absurd conversation about this and came to the conclusion that the human meaning of life is located within the vagina. Its where our life begins. We as men, are here to procreate and spread our seeds. Marriage and relationships prevent this. It is within out nature to plant our seed in as many vagina's as possible to further the existence of our species.

However on a more serious note; the meaning of life is the meaning you give it. Everything is meaningless until given meaning. Existentialism 101.

But really its probably just more about survival.