I have 2 questions

[Skaterdude]

1. Why is racism always considered a white person being rude/disrespectful to a black person when it isn't considered racism the other way around?
(No offense to black people)

2. If America is all about Freedom of Religion, then why is Christianity and the worship of God being taken out of so many places? Crosses are being removed from public buildings against the Christian people's will, but would the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Religion) be against that?

[mkcrank mulisha]

Well I agree with you on the first part but not the second. We have to be fair to all religons basically. Also, since christianity is such a large religon we have to seperate it from state so thats why we aren't allowed to have crosses or such on buildings. Wow, I used perfect grammar on this post!!!

[HabitatSkater]

1. Why is racism always considered a white person being rude/disrespectful to a black person when it isn't considered racism the other way around?
(No offense to black people)

2. If America is all about Freedom of Religion, then why is Christianity and the worship of God being taken out of so many places? Crosses are being removed from public buildings against the Christian people's will, but would the 4th Amendment (Freedom of Religion) be against that?


Racism is horrible either way, I don't care if you're white, black, arab, hispanic, asian, etc. If you are a racist I hate you.

With freedom of religion comes the seperation of church and state. Since public places are not used as places of worship and are usually owned by the government instead of private land, religion doesn't belong. The 4th amendment is more about religion being practiced in the privacy of your own home or in church which is private property.

[Rain_BLOWS]

1.racism is considered white to black because the majority of racists are white(KKK etc...)

2.christianity is being supressed in america because open signs of christianity in public might offend a muslim person for instance.

[Skaterdude]

1.racism is considered white to black because the majority of racists are white(KKK etc...)

2.christianity is being supressed in america because open signs of christianity in public might offend a muslim person for instance.
1. Racism is also black to white, yet people pay no attention to it.

2. I agree to that, but if you think about it...it's still practicing your religion freely.

[Rain_BLOWS]

1. Racism is also black to white, yet people pay no attention to it.

2. I agree to that, but if you think about it...it's still practicing your religion freely.
thats because america is a racist country either way.(white or black)

[BertlemanSlidesRule13]

1. Racism is also black to white, yet people pay no attention to it.

2. I agree to that, but if you think about it...it's still practicing your religion freely.


YEah, exactly! Okay, yes, white people did yuse African-Americans as slaves, but that was a long time ago, Blacks have the same rights we do, and that doesn't mean they can make racist comments to other races. Ie: Black Kids always call my friends cracker, white bread, oh and a good one, an African-American "gangsta" called my friend (asian like me) a Nigga, my friend told him not to call him a nigga, and my friend got suspended for saying the N word! How stupid is that?

[Harley]

hi

[timorousme]

1. Why is racism always considered a white person being rude/disrespectful to a black person when it isn't considered racism the other way around?
(No offense to black people)

2. If America is all about Freedom of Religion, then why is Christianity and the worship of God being taken out of so many places? Crosses are being removed from public buildings against the Christian people's will, but would the 4th Amendment (Freedom of Religion) be against that?

The second part. It's being taken out because it's a public place, meaning a place for all people, meaning a place for all religions. You say that taking corsses out is against the Christian's will, but putting them in in the first place is against the other religions will. A public place means that it's owned by the people. They belong to everybody that pays taxes. If you visit D.C., they don't charge admission to tour any federal building because they're our buildings. This means that people of all religions own the building, and decoratng it with symbols of only one religion isn't right to those of the other religion, for it's just as much their building as it is the Christians'. It would be like somebody coming to your house and decorating it with Stars of David. You wouldn't like it.

[Vivica]

1. thats not the case, i see black people as being more racist than white, purely because my girlfriend's black and i know what her parents are like :p
modern day black people for the most part arn't all that racist, and modern day white people arn't usually that racist either, its the older generations that are worse.

2. if there was a wiccan coven who met at a specific place, and they had pentagrams on it, and wanted to teach it to their kids, do you think that people would just accept that? they wouldn't.
it call somes down to "the greater of two equals"




You Are Not Free!! seriously kids, you can fire all these fucking amendments around as much as you like, you are not as free as you're led to beleive.

[Snake]

1. thats not the case, i see black people as being more racist than white, purely because my girlfriend's black and i know what her parents are like :p
modern day black people for the most part arn't all that racist, and modern day white people arn't usually that racist either, its the older generations that are worse.

2. if there was a wiccan coven who met at a specific place, and they had pentagrams on it, and wanted to teach it to their kids, do you think that people would just accept that? they wouldn't.
it call somes down to "the greater of two equals"




You Are Not Free!! seriously kids, you can fire all these fucking amendments around as much as you like, you are not as free as you're led to beleive.
Wait a second, I thought your girlfriend was indian. Damnit Vivica now I have to change my whole masturbation routine.

[Vivica]

ok, she's not BLACK but she's quite dark skinned... same thing as far as i care...

[b gin r444]

2. i hav no fucking clue i was about to get a bunch of people to walk around school wereing jesus shirts or something like that last year the school got me pissed >=O about that

[timorousme]

2. i hav no fucking clue i was about to get a bunch of people to walk around school wereing jesus shirts or something like that last year the school got me pissed >=O about that

You act like it's only Christianity. Haven't you ever read about the schools that expelled and suspended Muslim girls for wearing their scarfs, just because it represents their religion? Not everybody is out to get you, I swear. One just notices the Christian side more because, well, they're Christian.

[mkcrank mulisha]

1. thats not the case, i see black people as being more racist than white, purely because my girlfriend's black and i know what her parents are like :p
modern day black people for the most part arn't all that racist, and modern day white people arn't usually that racist either, its the older generations that are worse.

2. if there was a wiccan coven who met at a specific place, and they had pentagrams on it, and wanted to teach it to their kids, do you think that people would just accept that? they wouldn't.
it call somes down to "the greater of two equals"




You Are Not Free!! seriously kids, you can fire all these fucking amendments around as much as you like, you are not as free as you're led to beleive.
True. In my town there are so little rules about curfues(sp) or skating but the cops will always send us home after 10:30.

[Vivica]

erm... thats not exatly what i was getting at... but ok.

[Snake]

True. In my town there are so little rules about curfues(sp) or skating but the cops will always send us home after 10:30.
Damn those cops are super strict. Soon a rather cathostropic advent shall Incur morale.

[seanb]

im all for equality, but many blacks are wayy more racist than whites around here, and they justify it becuase their great great great grandpa was a slave.

example : white boy walks into the hood and gets his ass kicked for being white, but then a black kid walks into the mainly white suburbs and nothing happens to him. Hmmm who seems more racist?

also, the seperation of church and state should not have gone this far. argue all you want, like it or not, but our country was founded by christian values. The seperation of church and state was more in place to make sure a national religion was not enstated. It was not meant to make sure that no religious things were on buildings. (btw the 4th amendment is prohibitng unreasonable searches, not freedom of religion.) the one for freedom of religion is the first

[Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.]

The free exersise of religion is to protect against a mandatory worship. Its not meant to prohibit a religious display. It is not a violation of rights to have a display of the 10 commandments in the public.

and it does not hurt atheists to be exposed to religion. name one way atheists are harmed by religios displays and ill eat my words.

[Skaterdude]

1. thats not the case, i see black people as being more racist than white, purely because my girlfriend's black and i know what her parents are like :p
modern day black people for the most part arn't all that racist, and modern day white people arn't usually that racist either, its the older generations that are worse.

2. if there was a wiccan coven who met at a specific place, and they had pentagrams on it, and wanted to teach it to their kids, do you think that people would just accept that? they wouldn't.
it call somes down to "the greater of two equals"




You Are Not Free!! seriously kids, you can fire all these fucking amendments around as much as you like, you are not as free as you're led to beleive.
I thought Ruchi was from India...????

[Skaterdude]

im all for equality, but many blacks are wayy more racist than whites around here, and they justify it becuase their great great great grandpa was a slave.

example : white boy walks into the hood and gets his ass kicked for being white, but then a black kid walks into the mainly white suburbs and nothing happens to him. Hmmm who seems more racist?

also, the seperation of church and state should not have gone this far. argue all you want, like it or not, but our country was founded by christian values. The seperation of church and state was more in place to make sure a national religion was not enstated. It was not meant to make sure that no religious things were on buildings. (btw the 4th amendment is prohibitng unreasonable searches, not freedom of religion.) the one for freedom of religion is the first

[Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.]

The free exersise of religion is to protect against a mandatory worship. Its not meant to prohibit a religious display. It is not a violation of rights to have a display of the 10 commandments in the public.

and it does not hurt atheists to be exposed to religion. name one way atheists are harmed by religios displays and ill eat my words.
good point...oh and I mix the 1st and 4th up all the time lol

[KRUX???]

I think that a wiccan person should be valued as much as a christian person is. this babylon government we live in today ostracizes cultures and types of people every day and since most of this country is white(christian), it stays that way.

[dalton701]

hhmm u know what i think

[dalton701]

i think that you go ask george bush instead of a bunch of skaters cause a very large pecentage of us dont give a shit about the governement as long as they let us skate

[nefarious]

well theres no such thing as balck supremecists.. yet theres such thing as white supremicists.. (who should al lgo to hell)

[givehugsnotdrugs]

1. Why is racism always considered a white person being rude/disrespectful to a black person when it isn't considered racism the other way around?
(No offense to black people)

It is this way because Whites hating on Black is the form of racism we hear about the most. It was in our country, and since blacks were in the lower position they weren't considered racist when they hated on whites. Racism goes both ways, smart people realize this.

2. If America is all about Freedom of Religion, then why is Christianity and the worship of God being taken out of so many places? Crosses are being removed from public buildings against the Christian people's will, but would the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Religion) be against that?

They mean Freedom of Religion in the sense that one religion won't force their views on another religion, or the people as a whole. Crosses are being removed from public buildings against the Christians will, but not against other peoples will, for the most part. If Christianity were being prohibited as a whole I'd have a problem, and I'm not even Christian. I do however, think not only Christianity, but all other religions should be kept out of our schools and public areas, or that all should be accepted.

[HabitatSkater]

well theres no such thing as balck supremecists.. yet theres such thing as white supremicists.. (who should al lgo to hell)

I don't know if this was ment t be sarcasm, but the Black Panthers were a black supremicist group.

[dain84]

1.racism is considered white to black because the majority of racists are white(KKK etc...)
No, almost all black people are racist. No offense to the cool ones though.

2.christianity is being supressed in america because open signs of christianity in public might offend a muslim person for instance.
Who gives a shit? Christians don't get offended by the star of david or a muslim symbol!

[seanb]

ya rly

[dain84]

ya rly
o rly?

[fat_poser]

I don't know if this was ment t be sarcasm, but the Black Panthers were a black supremicist group.

No they weren't you fucking tard.

They stood up for equality despite illegal and hostile abuse from the FBI, which also resulted in California's drug problem.

Take a look at The Cointelpro Papers, or the move Panther. It's all public record now, declassified.

[timorousme]

I don't know if this was ment t be sarcasm, but the Black Panthers were a black supremicist group.

I think you're speaking of the Nation of Islam around the time that Malcom X was the spokesperson.

[!Ferg!]

my science teacher was being racist to my black frend she went "And when i mean one small chocolate i mean, TAPIWA." he got so insulted man.

[HabitatSkater]

No they weren't you fucking tard.

They stood up for equality despite illegal and hostile abuse from the FBI, which also resulted in California's drug problem.

Take a look at The Cointelpro Papers, or the move Panther. It's all public record now, declassified.Yeah I know, I don't know why I typed them. i was thinking black power, black supremicy, whatever. I did mean the Nation of Islam.

[Woe Is You]

I ask for everyone to be completely realistic as you read the post and to not think of me as a racist. Actually, think of me as a racist if you want, I don't give a fuck. Normally, I don't post, I just read. But no one is seeing things from the "black" perspective, and since I'm tired and bored, I'll deposit my two cents just this once.

I'll start off by simply saying that it's ironic how you guys think that most black people are racist, when black people feel that most white people are racist. But other than you 'getting beat up' in a bad neighborhood, how are THE MAJORITY of black people racist. In the following paragraphs, if you choose to continue to read this little rant, you will see a FEW of the reasons why black people think that the majority of whites are racist fucks and why whites are mostly presented as the racist fucks in this country instead of black people being racist against white people.

Reason #1 - In no way are blacks and whites equal.

Of course, blacks SHOULD be equal to whites, but the fact of the matter is, discrimination and racism still strongly exists today against blacks. The KKK still exists. Black people (aswell as other minorities) still find it hard to climb the "ladder of success" even when they have the best education that money can buy (which is why most black scholars are pro-black. Think about it. Maya Angelou, Bill Cosby, Booker T. Washington, William E. Dubois, etc.). The ones who don't turn into Uncle Tom's are pro-black because they know how hard it is to get to the "top" of this racist country, and they want other blacks to FIGHT for their freedoms. Cause, lets keep it real, my fellow assholes, blacks are still discriminated against when looking for jobs, maintaining jobs, and getting into executive positions.

Reason #2 - Blacks are still thought of and treated as if they are beneath white people.

In movies, there's still that one black person who plays the maid/butler. Or the black person is depicted as the funny idiot, the comic relief. Actually, alot of movies are prejudice and filled with stereotypes and not just about blacks.

There are still people who watch every little move that a black person makes in a store to make sure that they don't steal anything. And I mean, I could seriously make this list longer, but I hope you guys can just kind of fill in the blanks yourselves, because I'm already going overboard.

Reason #3 - I don't know how to classify this. Give me a break. I pulled a damn all nighter and my brain is on 'E', and I just couldn't cut it out of the rant.

On almost every thread in this messageboard, someone says the word 'nigga' and 99% of the time that person isn't even black. You guys may be joking or what not, and your excuse for saying it might be because black people say it all the time, or someone black has called you it before. Honestly, I don't care if you say it. It doesn't hurt me any. But what the fuck? Do you know what type of message that sends out? Imagine if you were on a message board where there were primarily black users, and all you saw in every thread was 'Cracker, cracker, cracker, honkey, honkey, honkey, honkey.'

The word 'racist' would fucking come into your mind so fast that your head would fucking spin. And sure, you might not think anything of it and you might laugh it off, but you'd still think that it was racist.

It's exactly what you guys do... except most of you don't classify yourselves as racists. Just jokesters, I suppose.


And as for the whole 'black guys try to jump me all the time and that's why most black guys are racists'.. It happens when a black person is in white neighborhoods too. If you think it doesn't happen to blacks in white neighborhoods, then I don't know what fucking fairytale you're living in. And it's not like black people just beat up white people just because they're white because the SAME DAMN THING happens to black people in BLACK neighborhoods. And it happens to white people in WHITE neighborhoods. A group of white or black people might even beat up a person that came out of the closet and revealed that they were gay. It doesn't just happen to white people in black neighborhoods. It happens to EVERYONE. It's a form of bullying and only happens because people fear things that are different.


Okay, my rant is done. I'm a long-winded person, whatever. I'm not asking you to read the rant, I'm just posting my personal opinion. And I hope that when I generalized and said 'whites' or 'blacks' you knew I meant 'MOST whites' and 'MOST blacks'.

[timorousme]

I ask for everyone to be completely realistic as you read the post and to not think of me as a racist. Actually, think of me as a racist if you want, I don't give a fuck. Normally, I don't post, I just read. But no one is seeing things from the "black" perspective, and since I'm tired and bored, I'll deposit my two cents just this once.

I'll start off by simply saying that it's ironic how you guys think that most black people are racist, when black people feel that most white people are racist. But other than you 'getting beat up' in a bad neighborhood, how are THE MAJORITY of black people racist. In the following paragraphs, if you choose to continue to read this little rant, you will see a FEW of the reasons why black people think that the majority of whites are racist fucks and why whites are mostly presented as the racist fucks in this country instead of black people being racist against white people.

Reason #1 - In no way are blacks and whites equal.

Of course, blacks SHOULD be equal to whites, but the fact of the matter is, discrimination and racism still strongly exists today against blacks. The KKK still exists. Black people (aswell as other minorities) still find it hard to climb the "ladder of success" even when they have the best education that money can buy (which is why most black scholars are pro-black. Think about it. Maya Angelou, Bill Cosby, Booker T. Washington, William E. Dubois, etc.). The ones who don't turn into Uncle Tom's are pro-black because they know how hard it is to get to the "top" of this racist country, and they want other blacks to FIGHT for their freedoms. Cause, lets keep it real, my fellow assholes, blacks are still discriminated against when looking for jobs, maintaining jobs, and getting into executive positions.

Reason #2 - Blacks are still thought of and treated as if they are beneath white people.

In movies, there's still that one black person who plays the maid/butler. Or the black person is depicted as the funny idiot, the comic relief. Actually, alot of movies are prejudice and filled with stereotypes and not just about blacks.

There are still people who watch every little move that a black person makes in a store to make sure that they don't steal anything. And I mean, I could seriously make this list longer, but I hope you guys can just kind of fill in the blanks yourselves, because I'm already going overboard.

Reason #3 - I don't know how to classify this. Give me a break. I pulled a damn all nighter and my brain is on 'E', and I just couldn't cut it out of the rant.

On almost every thread in this messageboard, someone says the word 'nigga' and 99% of the time that person isn't even black. You guys may be joking or what not, and your excuse for saying it might be because black people say it all the time, or someone black has called you it before. Honestly, I don't care if you say it. It doesn't hurt me any. But what the fuck? Do you know what type of message that sends out? Imagine if you were on a message board where there were primarily black users, and all you saw in every thread was 'Cracker, cracker, cracker, honkey, honkey, honkey, honkey.'

The word 'racist' would fucking come into your mind so fast that your head would fucking spin. And sure, you might not think anything of it and you might laugh it off, but you'd still think that it was racist.

It's exactly what you guys do... except most of you don't classify yourselves as racists. Just jokesters, I suppose.


And as for the whole 'black guys try to jump me all the time and that's why most black guys are racists'.. It happens when a black person is in white neighborhoods too. If you think it doesn't happen to blacks in white neighborhoods, then I don't know what fucking fairytale you're living in. And it's not like black people just beat up white people just because they're white because the SAME DAMN THING happens to black people in BLACK neighborhoods. And it happens to white people in WHITE neighborhoods. A group of white or black people might even beat up a person that came out of the closet and revealed that they were gay. It doesn't just happen to white people in black neighborhoods. It happens to EVERYONE. It's a form of bullying and only happens because people fear things that are different.


Okay, my rant is done. I'm a long-winded person, whatever. I'm not asking you to read the rant, I'm just posting my personal opinion. And I hope that when I generalized and said 'whites' or 'blacks' you knew I meant 'MOST whites' and 'MOST blacks'.

You missed the point in what we were saying. The initial post was that racism is usually concidered as a white person being discriminatory towards a black person, but in reality, black people are racist too, but nobody really speaks of that. The fact is, everybody's racist.

You say that it's hard for a black person to make it in this world. That's the person's own damn fault. You mentioned Bill Cosby as a pro-black person, well, Bill Cosby himself said that you need to stop it with these quotas and affirmative action, and make it your selves. There's no excuse as to why you can't make it, and it's not about racism, it's about that person's own efforts. Think about all of the white people that weren't accepted into a college because of a black person who didn't even do as well in high school or on tests. Think about how screwed up that is. I'm saying that if you want to be equal, be equal. Get rid of affirmative action, get rid of quotas and go out there and make it yourself, for there is NO reason why you can't.

[Idioteque]

1. Why is racism always considered a white person being rude/disrespectful to a black person when it isn't considered racism the other way around?
(No offense to black people)

2. If America is all about Freedom of Religion, then why is Christianity and the worship of God being taken out of so many places? Crosses are being removed from public buildings against the Christian people's will, but would the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Religion) be against that?
A good example of an arrogant Christian, but, would it really be going with the First Ammendment if the Christian religion was everywhere? It would be kind of suggestive, don't you think?

[HUnGary_SAmUraI]

It's because assholes think they can abuse the freedom America gives them, we can't do anything about it.

[Woe Is You]

You missed the point in what we were saying. The initial post was that racism is usually concidered as a white person being discriminatory towards a black person, but in reality, black people are racist too, but nobody really speaks of that. The fact is, everybody's racist.

You say that it's hard for a black person to make it in this world. That's the person's own damn fault. You mentioned Bill Cosby as a pro-black person, well, Bill Cosby himself said that you need to stop it with these quotas and affirmative action, and make it your selves. There's no excuse as to why you can't make it, and it's not about racism, it's about that person's own efforts. Think about all of the white people that weren't accepted into a college because of a black person who didn't even do as well in high school or on tests. Think about how screwed up that is. I'm saying that if you want to be equal, be equal. Get rid of affirmative action, get rid of quotas and go out there and make it yourself, for there is NO reason why you can't.

I was speaking mostly about how people were going "Most black people are racist". It seemed almost as if they were trying to say that "Most white people aren't racist". So yeah. I went off on my own little tangent in the other post.

But of course, I agree. Everyone's racist. But "people" don't speak of black racists, or Mexican racists, or Asian racists in America, because white racists are more prominent in today's (and yesterday's) society. When you think of white racists, you think of the KKK and other white supremacist groups. You think of white men who stole land from beneath the Native American's feet, and who brought over slaves from Africa and then today have popularized the saying 'Go back to Africa'. You think of the mistreatmeant of blacks even AFTER slavery was over.

But who do you think of when you hear the term 'black racists'? Black people in general? Or some random black guy who beat up or killed someone white? When I try to think of black racists, I kind of pick up a blank. I can't think of a group of blacks who just want to destroy everyone who isn't black. The same thing goes with the other minorities. Sure, there are people who dislike whites, and some of them go and beat up white people, or steal from them or kill them. But it's just not the same as what's mentioned in the paragraph above this one.

And that's why "racism is usually concidered as a white person being discriminatory towards a black person". It's not because people have this idea that black people aren't racist.


Also, in nothing I've read or heard has Bill Cosby stated that he was against affirmative action. But then, there's nothing there that states he's for it either. However, if affirmative action never existed, there'd still be 'whites only' bathrooms and 'whites only' pies. All blacks want is to progress and to be equal in a country that is STILL segregated. And if it helped them this much, then maybe it'll work some more.

"I'm saying that if you want to be equal, be equal."

If it was that easy, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

[minilogoskickrock69]

Yes I have noticed this too black people do tend to be much more racist towards white people then white people are to black people. Racism against white people is tolerated more because black people used to be slaves. A good example is when a friend of mine (who is black) said to a white person why are you so white. The girl then responded why are you so black? The white girl was sent to the principals office and got suspended for a racial slur, but nothing happened to my friend.

As for your second question I believe that we shouldn't force christianity on other people in anyway, but people are taking that way overboard. I mean Jesus or anything Christian related is now unacceptable. We can't have Christmas parties anymore because not everyone is Christian, which is fine but my teacher took it overboard and made us have a Kwanzaa party I mean honestly no one in the class even celebrated the holiday yet we had a Kwanzaa party. How is that not forcing a belief on someone? Another example is that in a state (can't recall which one) there were people protesting the crosses that were on the side of the highway. The crosses were the highway patrolmen's graves. They were demanding that the crosses were torn down, because it was offensive to Athiests. I think anyone who protested that is going overboard I mean its their grave.

This country always goes from one extreme to another. It started out when we started going soft because of these damn law suits.

[Marevix]

It's not 'most black people are racist', it's actually 'most black people are close minded'. Black people usually don't get white people because the majority of whites don't play basketball, listen to rap/rnb, or other things the majority of black people do in their spare time. Us white people have different accents. It's a cultural difference, have you noticed that black people don't really care about wiggers?

[Woe Is You]

It's not 'most black people are racist', it's actually 'most black people are close minded'. Black people usually don't get white people because the majority of whites don't play basketball, listen to rap/rnb, or other things the majority of black people do in their spare time. Us white people have different accents. It's a cultural difference, have you noticed that black people don't really care about wiggers?

Actually, I agree with that to a certain degree.

But I don't know if I would call it close minded, though I guess it's the best way to phrase it. I think it's a mix of close mindedness, just not giving a *****, and not being exposed to "white culture" when they are young.

But I completely agree with the "Black people usually don't get white people..."

If more white people got into the things that black people like to do, and if more black people started getting into the things that white people like to do, and if more white people lived in the "hood", and more black people in the suburbs, then maybe, just maybe, the world would be a slightly better place.






Or complete chaos would erupt. Who fucking knows.

[timorousme]

I was speaking mostly about how people were going "Most black people are racist". It seemed almost as if they were trying to say that "Most white people aren't racist". So yeah. I went off on my own little tangent in the other post.

But of course, I agree. Everyone's racist. But "people" don't speak of black racists, or Mexican racists, or Asian racists in America, because white racists are more prominent in today's (and yesterday's) society. When you think of white racists, you think of the KKK and other white supremacist groups. You think of white men who stole land from beneath the Native American's feet, and who brought over slaves from Africa and then today have popularized the saying 'Go back to Africa'. You think of the mistreatmeant of blacks even AFTER slavery was over.

But who do you think of when you hear the term 'black racists'? Black people in general? Or some random black guy who beat up or killed someone white? When I try to think of black racists, I kind of pick up a blank. I can't think of a group of blacks who just want to destroy everyone who isn't black. The same thing goes with the other minorities. Sure, there are people who dislike whites, and some of them go and beat up white people, or steal from them or kill them. But it's just not the same as what's mentioned in the paragraph above this one.

And that's why "racism is usually concidered as a white person being discriminatory towards a black person". It's not because people have this idea that black people aren't racist.


Also, in nothing I've read or heard has Bill Cosby stated that he was against affirmative action. But then, there's nothing there that states he's for it either. However, if affirmative action never existed, there'd still be 'whites only' bathrooms and 'whites only' pies. All blacks want is to progress and to be equal in a country that is STILL segregated. And if it helped them this much, then maybe it'll work some more.

"I'm saying that if you want to be equal, be equal."

If it was that easy, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

That speech doesn't show his position on affirmative action, but it's easy to guess from there. I'll try to find the other speech telling blacks to stand up and take responsibilty for themselves instead of blaming "the white man", but I will look for you.

[Woe Is You]

Actually, I enjoyed reading that speech very much. Thanks for showing it to me.

Also, I agreed with him through alot of the speech. Bottom line is, todays black youth needs better parenting. And you can't blame a white person for every little thing that goes wrong in your life. (And in none of my posts did I mean to come across like that.)

But if Bill Cosby is indeed against affirmative action, then I'd just have to disagree with him. Because I don't believe in affirmative action just for black people, but for every minority in America. Not only is the "system" unfair, but, believe it or not, strong racism still exists against minorities. And Bill Cosby knows that strong racism still exists, which is why he supported the Cincinnati Riots and added this line to his speech that you linked me too "The white man, he’s laughing, got to be laughing."

The way that Canadians, and people from other countries laugh at America, is the way that "the white man" laughs at blacks. That's the best comparison I can make.

[timorousme]

Actually, I enjoyed reading that speech very much. Thanks for showing it to me.

Also, I agreed with him through alot of the speech. Bottom line is, todays black youth needs better parenting. And you can't blame a white person for every little thing that goes wrong in your life. (And in none of my posts did I mean to come across like that.)

But if Bill Cosby is indeed against affirmative action, then I'd just have to disagree with him. Because I don't believe in affirmative action just for black people, but for every minority in America. Not only is the "system" unfair, but, believe it or not, strong racism still exists against minorities. And Bill Cosby knows that strong racism still exists, which is why he supported the Cincinnati Riots and added this line to his speech that you linked me too "The white man, he’s laughing, got to be laughing."

The way that Canadians, and people from other countries laugh at America, is the way that "the white man" laughs at blacks. That's the best comparison I can make.

I don't see how one can be for affirmative action. One should be hired or accepted because of the color of their skin rather than their qualifications. If black people want to go to Yale or Harvard, they should be able to, I'm not saying that they shouldn't, but it's wrong to lower qualifications for those people to get in. Requirements should be requirements, regardless of one's race. I mean, affirmative action, ironically is racist. There's no other way to look around it.

[Buy-A-Baker]

Im not racest the 2 guys i skate with everyday is mexican and black but anyways its true a black guy could scream white boy or cracker and nothing would happen but u say ****** and the whole hall will try to beat u up or do something

[timorousme]

Also, notice this: Cracker, honkey... No censor

******... Censored

[elementboi673]

i dont see what the problem with rascism was, we all black when da lights go out

and i cant answer the second question

[Woe Is You]

Also, notice this: Cracker, honkey... No censor

******... Censored

Lets face it. More people on this site abuse the word ****** than people who abuse the word cracker, or honkey. There would be no point in censoring it when no one says it. Just like the word poser WAS censored on the old forum, I think. That was the word where when you posted it'd replace the it with "cute guy" right? The word was abused and so it was censored. The word nig.ger is abused, and so it is censored.



I don't see how one can be for affirmative action. One should be hired or accepted because of the color of their skin rather than their qualifications. If black people want to go to Yale or Harvard, they should be able to, I'm not saying that they shouldn't, but it's wrong to lower qualifications for those people to get in. Requirements should be requirements, regardless of one's race. I mean, affirmative action, ironically is racist. There's no other way to look around it.
When you say "lower qualifications" you're making it sound like they are letting black people into Harvard who have IQ's of 8th graders compared to the white people in Harvard. Fact of the matter is, if you want get into Harvard or Yale, you've got to be one smart motherfucker, no matter what your race is. Who cares if they have to "lower qualifications"? I rather see mexicans, blacks, asians, and women in Harvard or Yale than all white men with the exception of 20 white women and 2 black men.
(By the way, I've visited Harvard. And they must not be lowering their qualifications for black people by THAT much because I can only remember seeing about three black people out of the hundred that were outside partying.)

Ultimately, you have to decide which one is best:

Allowing minorities to have a chance in Harvard by "lowering qualifications"

or

Allowing only the most "qualified" people into Harvard, basically ruling out the chance of minorities getting in.

[timorousme]

When you say "lower qualifications" you're making it sound like they are letting black people into Harvard who have IQ's of 8th graders compared to the white people in Harvard. Fact of the matter is, if you want get into Harvard or Yale, you've got to be one smart motherfucker, no matter what your race is. Who cares if they have to "lower qualifications"? I rather see mexicans, blacks, asians, and women in Harvard or Yale than all white men with the exception of 20 white women and 2 black men.
(By the way, I've visited Harvard. And they must not be lowering their qualifications for black people by THAT much because I can only remember seeing about three black people out of the hundred that were outside partying.)

Ultimately, you have to decide which one is best:

Allowing minorities to have a chance in Harvard by "lowering qualifications"

or

Allowing only the most "qualified" people into Harvard, basically ruling out the chance of minorities getting in.

Allowing the most qualified people. Who cares what your race is? Why should it matter? Discrimination is wrong, and affirmative action is discrimination. Affirmative action is basically saying that there is a difference between white people and black people. It's saying there's a difference between men and women. I personally think that that's bullshit. I'm saying that if a black person or a woman wants to get into Harvard, they should be allowed to, but only if they meet the requirements, and those requirements should be the same regardless of race or gender. Positive discrimination is still discrimination, and discrimination is wrong.

[Jeff-K]

Japan is the most racist country in the world, although I don't know where I found my facts to back that up =/

[sk8bum77]

ok so:
Black, whites, mexicans, asians, whoever, were all equal? YES
The only differenct between races, on an individual basis, is appearance? YES
So a black person has just as much of a chance to be smart as a white person? YES
So why the hell would we give a racial minority 'bonus points' to better there chance of a good college? if they want to get into a smart college? better work ya damn ass off JUST AS MUCH as everyone else.
Now sure, you can say 'oh but blacks live in worse environments and shitteir school systems'. on a whole, thats probably true. But hey, how many black-only scholarship programs are there? and how many white-only college funds are there? Exactly. No need to change expectations from race to race, thats absolutely racist.

[timorousme]

ok so:
Black, whites, mexicans, asians, whoever, were all equal? YES
The only differenct between races, on an individual basis, is appearance? YES
So a black person has just as much of a chance to be smart as a white person? YES
So why the hell would we give a racial minority 'bonus points' to better there chance of a good college? if they want to get into a smart college? better work ya damn ass off JUST AS MUCH as everyone else.
Now sure, you can say 'oh but blacks live in worse environments and shitteir school systems'. on a whole, thats probably true. But hey, how many black-only scholarship programs are there? and how many white-only college funds are there? Exactly. No need to change expectations from race to race, thats absolutely racist.

Actually since you mentioned scholarships, there is one that I thought was ridiculous. There was an African-American scholarship a couple of years ago to go to one African-American person. A girl applied that was white, but she was born in Africa, raised in Africa and moved to America. Thus she was the only real African-American, but they denied her chance to even apply because she was white. How screwed up is that?