CIA probe finds abductions

[timorousme]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-12-13-ciaprobe_x.htm

What do you guys think? I personally think that it's screwed up that, if this is true, America acts like the world police and always tries to get other countries for illegal activity, when we do things like that too. I mean, do we really need secret prisons throughout the world? American officials always try to stop other countries because they're a threat to the world, but I think that the biggest threat to the world is America itself. Some screwed up shit going on in this world.

[seanb]

it really scares me how the government can do things like this undercover for years. Its a huge rights violation. things like this make me scared

[skate4life1]

that is scary.

[fat_poser]

You think that's scary? Why don't you look into what the CIA did to Latin America.

[Pathtek4]

SO WHAT?...I find nothing wrong with beating the crap out of someone who might have information about a upcoming terrorist attack...

Remember the "Dirty" bomber, he got caught coming over from Canada, BECAUSE they got information from a detainee in Guantanamo Bay...

[timorousme]

SO WHAT?...I find nothing wrong with beating the crap out of someone who might have information about a upcoming terrorist attack...

Remember the "Dirty" bomber, he got caught coming over from Canada, BECAUSE they got information from a detainee in Guantanamo Bay...

You're missing the point. These prisons aren't only taking people from nowhere in Europe, but they're doing this secretly and transferring them illegally. These aren't just a few people, these are many people being abducted and put in these prisons without their country even knowing. And probably doing the same things as they did in Latin America.

I actually have copies of the Latin America report (I have a small collection of unclassified files), not in entirity of course, as it's over 1,000 pages, but what I do have is pretty screwed up, and the scary thing is, most of it's blacked out, so it's probably even worse than what we've heard.

[system_of_a_down_rocks]

thats fucked up. i got nothing against beating the crap outta someone if its gonna save lives, but just taking them across the globe illegally and not telling anyone, thats fucked up

[Snake]

Rights, what ever happened to them, lately i dont know.

[masterigor]

it really scares me how the government can do things like this undercover for years. Its a huge rights violation. things like this make me scared


Well the government can do alot of things that we don't know about. Some of them good..others not. But I saw this show were it was about how the Russians had made a mind thing. It sent electro megnatic waves and it messed up the other person's thoughts. That was during WWII. Now they might have things that are far worse.

[timorousme]

Well the government can do alot of things that we don't know about. Some of them good..others not. But I saw this show were it was about how the Russians had made a mind thing. It sent electro megnatic waves and it messed up the other person's thoughts. That was during WWII. Now they might have things that are far worse.

I have a file on a discontinued project where the government would actually use people with psychic abilities to scramble enemy plane signals, making radar and other things useless. I only have a small portion of it though, so I can't tell you much about it.

[givehugsnotdrugs]

All of this is scary, but what really scares me is that our current administration thinks that they're doing good.

[mkcrank mulisha]

how can you guys feel bad for a person who plans to blow bombs up in public places, killing people?

[timorousme]

how can you guys feel bad for a person who plans to blow bombs up in public places, killing people?

Unless there's a huge Polish terror organization that I don't know about, there is no need to hold secret prisons without that country even knowing, capture people without other countries even knowing and transferring them illegally, and all of this is because they think that they might be a terrorist.

Let me explain to you why this is so bad. Have you taken a look at the 9/11 hijackers? They weren't big illegal obvious terrorists. They were citizens with families living normal lives. There was no hint that they were terrorists. There was no clue that they were involved with al-Qaeda. Now think, how would they possibly know that the people that they're torturing and imprisoning right now are terrorists? How would they possibly know they they're planning an attack? It's one thing to capture them, but to do this so illegally and so inhumanely is another. There are probably so many innocent people being tortured by the hands of the United States, and the bitch of it, they aren't even in our country. I don't feel bad for the people that plan attacks. I feel bad for the innocent people that are being tortured and beaten out of pure speculation. For the United States to do this is wrong, pure wrong, and you can't change my opinion on that.

[fat_poser]

Poland actually probably does have some serious shit going down it it, being former Soviet bloc and all.

[fat_poser]

how can you guys feel bad for a person who plans to blow bombs up in public places, killing people?


"...I recall Arab kids slaughtered reduced to sand-******s and rag heads, and now I'm expected to mourn dead Americans? The executioners willing citizens? I'm so sorry, and I've been trying to think it through. But when the chickens came home to roost and hand delivered matching funeral urns to the bully that never learns I could've swore I heard a chorus rise and fall, wishing them so many more unhappy returns."

If you can't stand up for civility in an opposing country, you have no right to bitch when your soldiers heads get put on a fucking stake and dragged through town square.

[someperson]

okay what about the government intercepting phone calls,emails,everything, what happened to our rights? jeeze that is total privacy invasion right their