The Official Good And The Bad Thread.

[JaKeDatSkAteS]

(This thread is also very useful so people won't keep posting threads on what deck should you buy)
I Usually Make Separate Threads like this so i chose to put it all in one.
This thread can help out me or anyone who has questions with different Deck company's for the people who have experienced with the certain Deck company's.

Whats the Good & The Bad part about these Deck company's:

Alien Workshop

Almost

Anti-Hero

Baker

Birdhouse

Black Label

Blind

Chocolate

DGK

Element

Enjoi

Flip

Foundation

Girl

Habitat

Krooked

Mystery

Plan B

Real

Toy Machine

Zero

Zoo York

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element- gr34t skat3b04rd1ng d3cks bui 1 n0w!!!!!11 b4d 15 th4t th3y 4r3 s0 gud

[smgs92]

wtf and elements suck

[swarm_7x]

skate mental?

[kas]

Enjoi has a great shape/concave, but mine flew out from under me and hit the sidewalk nose first. It's been chipping like crazy ever since.

[JaKeDatSkAteS]

skate mental?

yeh i just got these companys from active but since there not popular i took of skate mental and sk8 mafia

[Fallen-is-ballen]

skate mental?

Skate mental is part of crailtap.

Same as girl, chocolate.

[mxytsplyk skateboards]

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[mxytsplyk skateboards]

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[Mr. Gone]

chocolates get a tad flimsy after a while, zoos have a super good shape, and by the way elements aren't that bad, they're just a little stiff.

[Foundation999]

^I dont think its that there stiff, they just have an ackward shape.

[Justinfoo]

Girls have nice mellow concave and good pop but they are wayy too heavy for my taste


Mystery has mellow concave, decent pop and its pretty durable. The paint is also really slidy. I don't see anything bad about mysteries except the paint wears off easily

[smgs92]

^I dont think its that there stiff, they just have an ackward shape.

actually they have pretty good shape perfect flip decent pop just a bad reputation but id rather have a zero anyday

[Capslock]

(This thread is also very useful so people won't keep posting threads on what deck should you buy)
I Usually Make Separate Threads like this so i chose to put it all in one.
This thread can help out me or anyone who has questions with different Deck company's for the people who have experienced with the certain Deck company's.

Whats the Good & The Bad part about these Deck company's:

Alien Workshop is by DNA distribution, same shit as Habitat and they have good wood, shapes are usual small tails big noses kinda steep concave

Almost is from Dwindle distribution, same shit as Blind, Darkstar, and Enjoi and they have shitty chinese wood and I don't even know what they're shapes are like because I wouldn't waste my money on their shit. Shame, since Enjoi has the best team/image/marketing ever.

Anti-Hero is from Deluxe distribution, same shit as Krooked and Real they have some of the biggest variety in shapes out of all the deck companies and they wood is sick.

Baker out of Blitz distribution, same shit as Birdhouse and Flip - once again chinese decks and I think that the shapes are super weird but some people like them. Little kids love to buy into Bakers rock n' roll image and no one ever buys Birdhouse and people barely buy Flip anymore.

Birdhouse see Blitz distribution

Black Label - good wood flatter concave.

Blind see dwindle

Chocolate out of Crailtap camp same shit as Skate Mental and Girl, small tail and big nose with flat concave, shapes I like but unfortunately it's chinese wood

DGK from Kayo corp. same as Expedition and Organika - good wood and from what I've ridden the lengths tend to be shorter but the shapes are pretty good if that's what you're into

Element actually has decent wood but I would never buy they're watered down bullshit product so I can't say what they're shapes are like

Enjoi see dwindle dist.

Flip see blitz dist.

Foundation out of Tum Yeto same thing as Toy machine, wood is decent but have heard a lot of complaints about it kinda flatter concave.

Girl see crailtap

Habitat see DNA

Krooked see Deluxe

Mystery out of Blackbox distribution decent wood that is actually Mexican wood and interestingly enough Jaime Thomas told me there's only 2 shapes for every board size that Blackbox makes so the plus side is you'll be consistantly getting boards the same shape the downside is not a whole lot of variety.

Plan B never ridden their shit and probably never will

Real deluxe

Toy Machine tum yeto

Zero blackbox

Zoo York - Chapman wood, my favorite wood but unfortunately zoo york is one of the whackest companies ever so just ask your shop owner for a deck thats outta chapman woodshop, like 5boro
This is all you need to know.

[smgs92]

yea except for the elements theyre better than people say they are although they arent the best

[i_don't_know]

Alien Workshop - Great flex and pop, enormous shovel noses, medium concave, average (but sexy) flip, durable IF YOU LAND BOLTS.

Almost - I hated mine because of the shape (too mellow) and the complete lack of flex, but the pop was great while it lasted, I couldn't snap it if I tried, and the flip was overwhelmingly fast.

Element - Not much flex, but it's still there, a variety of shapes, great flip, not durable at all, pop is good for a couple weeks then goes to shit.

[smgs92]

Alien Workshop - Great flex and pop, enormous shovel noses, medium concave, average (but sexy) flip, durable IF YOU LAND BOLTS.

Almost - I hated mine because of the shape (too mellow) and the complete lack of flex, but the pop was great while it lasted, I couldn't snap it if I tried, and the flip was overwhelmingly fast.

Element - Not much flex, but it's still there, a variety of shapes, great flip, not durable at all, pop is good for a couple weeks then goes to shit.

alien workshop are really flexible even if u dont land on the bolts and elements are pretty flexible as long as u get a fiberlight

[i_don't_know]

alien workshop are really flexible even if u dont land on the bolts and elements are pretty flexible as long as u get a fiberlight

I'm basing it all on the companies' "standard" constructions.

[smgs92]

u mean elements driftwoods?

[Capslock]

Alien Workshop - Great flex and pop, enormous shovel noses, medium concave, average (but sexy) flip, durable IF YOU LAND BOLTS.

Almost - I hated mine because of the shape (too mellow) and the complete lack of flex, but the pop was great while it lasted, I couldn't snap it if I tried, and the flip was overwhelmingly fast.

Element - Not much flex, but it's still there, a variety of shapes, great flip, not durable at all, pop is good for a couple weeks then goes to shit.

You pretty much revealed that no one should listen to your opinons on decks and proved you don't know what you're talking about by rating the decks "flip". THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN RATE A DECK FOR, A DECK DOES NOT HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FLIP. Why the fuck do kids always ask how much a board flips? It just pisses me off. "Average flip" - what the hell does that even mean? Come on dude.

And yes, Element does actually make decent decks but they're such a whack company I would never buy their shit.

[Pyromaniac]

Capslock said it. All of it. Decks dont have 'flip' they have concave which can make it easier or harder for a given skater to make it flip as desired, fucking n00bs. You get green.

[Word Life]

i think this thread is a phail because everybody has different opinions on decks based on different experiences. sorry man.

[paulpants]

i think this thread is a phail because everybody has different opinions on decks based on different experiences. sorry man.

Yeah to a certain extent, but you can still say which are the boards not to get, and recommend the good ones, then it's up to you to choose from the good ones depending on what you like, eg. this deck breaks easily, don't get it.

[Chute]

DGK & bakers Are the best

[Capslock]

i think this thread is a phail because everybody has different opinions on decks based on different experiences. sorry man.

If you read what I wrote you would think differently. How good a board is isn't based on all opinion. Almost all of my post is FACT. I threw some opinion in there but if you read it, it'll give you a good idea of what is what. If you like a small tail and big ass nose then you can look up there and see, "Oh shit Alien Workshop has that, and Girl has that but it's Chinese wood." And then you can get an Alien Workshop or a Girl if you're someone that doesn't care about Chinese wood.

[i_don't_know]

Capslock said it. All of it. Decks dont have 'flip' they have concave which can make it easier or harder for a given skater to make it flip as desired, fucking n00bs. You get green.

Each company's specific baseline concave mold (a.k.a. the basic shape of the concave, not specifically whether it's "steep" or "mellow", though there is still a significant difference between the two in terms of flip) determines how easily the decks can be flipped, therefore providing the flip statistic. The concave advantage is the difference in ease of flip between steep and mellow concave, but the actual shape of the concave is what sets the standard for flip in any given company's decks. I have done countless research on this. Don't challenge me at something you know absolutely nothing about. Same to the other kid. Fucking industry n00bs.

And now, to be fair:
If you read what I wrote you would think differently. How good a board is isn't based on all opinion. Almost all of my post is FACT. I threw some opinion in there but if you read it, it'll give you a good idea of what is what. If you like a small tail and big ass nose then you can look up there and see, "Oh shit Alien Workshop has that, and Girl has that but it's Chinese wood." And then you can get an Alien Workshop or a Girl if you're someone that doesn't care about Chinese wood.
This post completely proves that are absolutely clueless on this matter. There is no such thing as Chinese Canadian hard rock maple. It is absolutely impossible to grow Canadian hard rock in China for numerous reasons. Certain companies have experimented with different wood, such as Popwar's "fine woods" series, but it all comes from the same general area as the hard rock. While buying these different woods from China would seem to be cheaper, you also have to take into account all the extra costs and annoyances involved with importing from two different countries for one company. You can't just pay for the product and have it come for free. There are also freight costs, and several other expenses that I'm not even going to bother going over. In the end, getting wood from China AND Canada could easily result in even higher expenses. Especially since China happens to be overseas, which would result in an even higher freight costs. Therefore, this proves that NEITHER of your posts include any fact whatsoever, and that for all you seem to know, you're most likely talking out your ass.

[JaKeDatSkAteS]

i think this thread is a phail because everybody has different opinions on decks based on different experiences. sorry man.

I do agree with you most of these posts are opinions from there experience but this thread is also useful to stop the flooding of "what deck should i buy" threads

[froto]

SUPER EDIT: capslock/jakedatskates basically summed it up great. I was kind of disappointed about what i read about girl and chocolate though.

[BobbyGanoosh]

this is a pretty dumb thread

[Capslock]

Each company's specific baseline concave mold (a.k.a. the basic shape of the concave, not specifically whether it's "steep" or "mellow", though there is still a significant difference between the two in terms of flip) determines how easily the decks can be flipped, therefore providing the flip statistic. The concave advantage is the difference in ease of flip between steep and mellow concave, but the actual shape of the concave is what sets the standard for flip in any given company's decks. I have done countless research on this. Don't challenge me at something you know absolutely nothing about. Same to the other kid. Fucking industry n00bs.

And now, to be fair:

This post completely proves that are absolutely clueless on this matter. There is no such thing as Chinese Canadian hard rock maple. It is absolutely impossible to grow Canadian hard rock in China for numerous reasons. Certain companies have experimented with different wood, such as Popwar's "fine woods" series, but it all comes from the same general area as the hard rock. While buying these different woods from China would seem to be cheaper, you also have to take into account all the extra costs and annoyances involved with importing from two different countries for one company. You can't just pay for the product and have it come for free. There are also freight costs, and several other expenses that I'm not even going to bother going over. In the end, getting wood from China AND Canada could easily result in even higher expenses. Especially since China happens to be overseas, which would result in an even higher freight costs. Therefore, this proves that NEITHER of your posts include any fact whatsoever, and that for all you seem to know, you're most likely talking out your ass.

Uh, buddy, you think that boards have a differing amounts of "flip". Are you seriously trying to deny the fact that there are woodshops in China which supply companies? Holy shit you are so fucking stupid it's incredible. Who ever said there's a such thing as Chinese Canadian hard rock maple? Why would that matter? I don't think you understand what it means when someone says "Chinese wood" it means the decks are from a woodshop in China you stupid fuck, not litterally a Chinese tree. And you think that I'm talking out of my ass... You don't even understand your own argument. "Higher frieght costs" higher than what? There are no frieght costs for American distribution companies if they use American woodshops becuase nothing is going the ocean. What you meant is "higher shipping costs" you moron. Yes, it is cheaper for companies to buy from woodshops in China because the cost of labor there is like 1/10th that of in America. WHY THE FUCK WOULD EVERYTHING BE MADE IN CHINA IF IT WASN'T CHEAPER TO DO SO? You actually think it would be more expensive to have boards made in China? God you're ignorant. STOP PRETENDING LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY SOME DUMBASS LITTLE KID WHO IS DESPERATELY TRYING TO IMPRESS PEOPLE WITH KNOWLEDGE HE DOESN'T HAVE.

[i_don't_know]

Hahaha, you're so pathetic it's unbelievable. There's a HUGE difference between "made in China" and "Chinese wood", and you stated the latter. And outsourcing to China DOES involve freight costs, dumbass. Where do you think China is? Oh, that's right, OVERSEAS. Having decks made in China is completely different than "Chinese wood". I don't know where you're from, but around here the people are at least smart enough to use the correct terminology. What you suggested, whether you meant it or not, was receiving materials from two different suppliers. It's not my fault you don't know how to word anything correctly. And I have no reason to try and impress anyone on here, you ignorant little prick. You called me out, of course I'm going to argue. The fact of the matter is, I ripped apart your little attempt at trying to pass off everything you said as fact, and you, realizing your mistake, tried to cover it up by calling me a moron and making assumptions that I'm a little kid. Your method of arguing only draws out

[i_don't_know]

...damn PS3 text limits...

...evidence that you have little to no true knowledge about the industry. Stop trying to defend yourself before I have to take this any further. It's like you're looking to continue a war you've already lost. There's no sense in that. We're done here.

[Capslock]

...damn PS3 text limits...

...evidence that you have little to no true knowledge about the industry. Stop trying to defend yourself before I have to take this any further. It's like you're looking to continue a war you've already lost. There's no sense in that. We're done here.

Man you're dumb. If you knew anything about the industry you'd know what the fuck people mean when they say Chinese wood since that is what everyone calls it. I don't know why you're so convinced you're right, becuase you're not. I'm not someone who is too proud to admit when he is wrong but I'm not wrong here. I did say that outsourcing to China involves frieght costs retarded, maybe you should learn to read. Anyway since you want me to end this.

1. THERE IS A SUCH THING AS CHINESE WOOD - NO IT'S NOT FROM A CHINESE TREE IT'S WHEN THE DECKS ARE FROM A CHINESE WOODSHOP AND YES THIS IS COMMON TERMINOLOGY

2. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOES ON IN THE INDUSTRY. How do I know this? Well for one, you think boards have a certain amount of flip. The size and the shape of the boards are what determine how the board flips underneath you. There is no such thing as "better flip" or "worse flip". Different concaves can give you different amount of control and larger sizes will make the board harder to flip and smaller sizes will make the board easier to flip. It is retarded to say that, say, Dwindle decks will flip better than Blackbox decks seeing as the amount of control you have is detirmined by your prefrences with shape and concave. Two you don't think that getting decks from Chinese woodshops decreases the cost for manufacturers. In fact, you seemed to deny the very fact that certain companies get their wood from Chinese woodshops.

3. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO READING COMPREHENSION ABILITIES. You couldn't even interpret what I was saying correctly, and no, it's not my fault for writing it poorly, it's your fauly for not being able to understand it. You seem to assess arguments that I'm not even making.

You can tell yourself that you're right all you want, but that doesn't mean that you are. I don't know why you think that you have such a great knowledge of the industry, but I can sure as hell tell you that if you really did you wouldn't be on this messageboard, since absolutely no industry heads post or even lurk this forum. Now, if you would like to give an actual rebuttle, I would appreciate it if you can actually read my post instead of just spewing off random shit in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that you are right.

Oh wait, I just reread "before I have to take this any further" OH FUCKING NO, I BETTER WATCH OUT, SOME FAGGOT FROM THE SKATEBOARD-CITY FORUMS IS GONNA TAKE THIS INTERNET ARGUMENT FURTHER. Give me a break dude, what are you gonna do, post something even stupider then before?

Edit: And yes, nearly everything from my first post in this thread is fact, other than my opinion on Element and Zoo York which I said was my own opinion. I would like to see you try to prove that my information on each distributions product is wrong.

[Capslock]

SUPER EDIT: capslock/jakedatskates basically summed it up great. I was kind of disappointed about what i read about girl and chocolate though.

There you have it I_Don't_Know, the people have spoken and you obviously DON'T KNOW. Hahaha man that was a good one liner wasn't it?

[i_don't_know]

1) No, it's actually not the correct terminology. And stop trying to act like it is. You may read it in your magazines and hear it from your friends, but in reality it's not correct. But you seem to understand what it truly means (which sadly can't be said about some people...) so I'll back off on that one.

2) You have to understand where I'm coming from to realize what I'm saying here. Each company has a BASELINE shape that is used in every deck put out by that company. These slightly varying, but characteristic shapes contribute to the GENERAL "flip" of a deck. In other words, if you were to take a deck from Almost, which produces decks with a moderately mellow "pocket" behind the nose and tail, and a skinny nose, and a deck of the same size with similar concave and weight from, let's say Alien Workshop, which produces decks with a deep "pocket" behind the nose and tail, and with a very large shovel nose, the Almost will be a little easier to flip for MOST PEOPLE.

[i_don't_know]

Damn you, PS3...

There will always be exceptions to everything. And of course having the decks made in China is cheaper. I made that other argument when I still assumed you meant "maple from Canada+other woods from China" which I've already accepted as my mistake in #1. It was late as hell when I wrote that. Mah baaaad.

3) It's official. Looks like midnight arguing isn't my thing hahaha.

And by "before I have to take this any further" I wasn't trying to threaten you. Basically I was saying, "before I have to drag this on into an everlasting argument". I was just letting you know that I'm bored and I want to get this over with. See, you can miscomprehend things too. We all do it.

For the last comment, one person spoke, and even you said SB-C isn't full of industry heads. No hipocritical evidence please. It cancels other things out in your argument.

I REALLY hope this post ends it. There's no way in hell you're not bored yet.

[black flag]

I had a flip once, it was during my on and off ankle injury period so it ended up lasting bout a year and abit...but it got the biggest chip in the nose, heelflip with the nose dipped to the floor, just scraped the floor took a good inch out of it.

honestly i'd go with creature decks, love them.
and if you're interested in UK decks, death best value for money ever.