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average_user
09-13-2007, 07:46 AM
I think the big, main difference between say rap, and rock, is that rap focuses on the lyrics moreso than rock does.
rap is more complex with the ideas and words it actually presents.
rock is usually more complex with the actual musical content.

Rap shouldn't be praised for its simple amusing background beat, but it should be praised for the lyrical content, and storyline. Example:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T3Uj6zYOSXk

the rhyming scheme is incredible, and I think this is comparable to shakespeare

RageAgainstTheToyMachine
09-13-2007, 08:17 AM
So you're saying that song should be praised for lyrical content? Why? That was shitty lyric writing with no purpose or meaning.

Quit comparing well written poetry to rap music, there is a huge difference.

NorwegianSkater_92
09-13-2007, 08:27 AM
The lyrics are pretty good, but donīt give me that shit about how itīs so deep and itīs poetry, just in the street form. Because itīs not. There were some cool rhymes there, but itīs not poetry. I love rap( No, not that mainstream shit on MTV).

Go read some Poe, thatīs poetry at itīs finest.

blindninja667
09-13-2007, 08:30 AM
Bahahaha rap focus on lyrics? They make up all this crap about how they are gangsta and tell all these lies, while rock is more true to itself.

I EAT BABIES
09-13-2007, 09:02 AM
So you're saying that song should be praised for lyrical content? Why? That was shitty lyric writing with no purpose or meaning.

Quit comparing well written poetry to rap music, there is a huge difference.

Not all poetry is well written, and not all rap is shitty.

I EAT BABIES
09-13-2007, 09:03 AM
Bahahaha rap focus on lyrics? They make up all this crap about how they are gangsta and tell all these lies, while rock is more true to itself.

Try listening to real rap then. There's just as much, shitty rock as rap.

DngrouseCrgo555
09-13-2007, 09:34 AM
you got a good point but dont use eminem as an example

average_user
09-13-2007, 10:52 AM
That was shitty lyric writing with no purpose or meaning.

multi-syllable rhyming scheme, lesson at the end, consistant and entertaining storyline.

much comparable to literature studied in english class, just with a different culture and with different fads. it does have a purpose. you would see it if you paid attention, but I don't blame you. you probably didn't pay attention because it didn't fit with your "heavy metal hxc rocker style fad" or whatever your selective taste is. try opening up.


donīt give me that shit about how itīs so deep and itīs poetry, just in the street form. Because itīs not.

just look past the vernacular. yes rap does use slang, but that makes it even more rich with language and expression, just like shakespeare used words most of us don't understand
another example:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wl54ABY8VgY

average_user
09-13-2007, 11:11 AM
You don't have to like the song, just try to understand the meaning behind the song. Why was the song created? What is the point of the song? Look at the lyrics and the feeling.

Have you ever felt like you hit rock bottom?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mEC-yLYKo3w

RageAgainstTheToyMachine
09-13-2007, 11:32 AM
multi-syllable rhyming scheme, lesson at the end, consistant and entertaining storyline.

much comparable to literature studied in english class, just with a different culture and with different fads. it does have a purpose. you would see it if you paid attention, but I don't blame you. you probably didn't pay attention because it didn't fit with your "heavy metal hxc rocker style fad" or whatever your selective taste is. try opening up.


You're one stupid mother fucker... wow.. I mean fuckin literally..

I EAT BABIES
09-13-2007, 12:06 PM
You're one stupid mother fucker... wow.. I mean fuckin literally..

Just because lyrics aren't about fucking dead corpses, it doesn't mean they're bad.

RageAgainstTheToyMachine
09-13-2007, 12:13 PM
Just because lyrics aren't about fucking dead corpses, it doesn't mean they're bad.

WHEN DID I SAY THEY WERE??

Fuck thats why I think the kid is fuckin stupid(and obviously you).
Just cause I like death metal MUST mean I HATE all other kinds of music that isn't death metal? Quit generalizing me just cause I don't agree that rap music is "poetry at its finest", cause anyone who actually believes that is a dumb twat.

SkaSkate
09-13-2007, 12:34 PM
Try listening to real rap then. There's just as much, shitty rock as rap.

This should stop this stupid thread, there's shitty music in all genres. I love ska even though 90% of it is crap, even some of the old stuff.

Fudopi
09-13-2007, 12:38 PM
The lyrics are pretty good, but donīt give me that shit about how itīs so deep and itīs poetry, just in the street form. Because itīs not. There were some cool rhymes there, but itīs not poetry. I love rap( No, not that mainstream shit on MTV).

Go read some Poe, thatīs poetry at itīs finest.

agreed mainstream sucks but T.I. is decent 90% of it sucks though. Also it is poetry just not at its finest. Its a completly different form. other than that I agree

drowning_fish
09-13-2007, 01:50 PM
Just cause I like death metal MUST mean I HATE all other kinds of music that isn't death metal?

You've proven that point countless times already

Poetry-"the art of rhythmical composition, written or spoken, for exciting pleasure by beautiful, imaginative, or elevated thoughts."

By this definition, rap is poetry. And like literary poetry, there is the good and the bad. Things only exist with the opposite present.

And good hip hop sounds so much better to me than good metal lyrics because the mad heavy metal lyrics [I've heard] that are good are usually Elizabethan style shit. I'd much rather listen to

"The sky is falling, no one is watching
Tornadoes twisting wheres nobody is listening
And fires no one pays attention
Energies are erupting
Blurring the intentional vision
Doctors and lawyers and scientists all are locked in the prison of the mind
And all the youth are unreachable but they teachable
But emcees don't be teaching them too
Down deep down in their soul
Amongst the prostitution and pimping, robbing and stealing"

than

"I hath robbed her of her virginity, open corpse
HER GHOST SCREAMING WITH MY THRUSTING FORCE
And as her spirit weeps in hell
I claim her body for mine to sell"

Word

RageAgainstTheToyMachine
09-13-2007, 07:37 PM
We have returned to the edge of our lives
To gaze deeply within the meaning to just why we're here
Look deep inside all your miserable minds
Only then you will find the meaning to why you are here
There is no truth though you try to rebuke
What you're told, what you learn every day
Face it, you're fucked, you don't know when to stop
But your stop, it awaits the point in time that you step off
You are standing on the edge of all eternity
You can't see the black abyss and you can feel no peace
Plague at your door
Death and pure war
A world unkind
Is what you find
Transfixed by the torture
You can't turn back
On the edge of darkness
You're trapped, you're gagged, you're silent
Staring at the illness
That fills your world
Balance of existence
Offset, severed, it's no more
Everything is turned upside down
An abyss where nothing is found
Overcome, your shocked in terror
It's not real, it's just a vision
Plague at your door
Death and pure war
Blindly staring
In the abyss
Take one step and you fall
Forever
Never to return - no
Slipping into the darkness
Fill your void with nothing
Life deranged
Through your mind you're falling
Staring into the abyss
Just forget that you're sick
Just forget that you're dead
Your world has left you now you can't find your way
You're plunging faster
Forgotten eternity
Of hate and regressions
Finally you hit the ground
Finally you obtain what you never found
Peering up the black slopes
Covered in flesh and blood
Human rage, souls deranged
Wanting out of this hell there's no way out
Look up to see the light
Up to see the might
You fell into night

Fall - on the brink of death
Fall down with the rest
Force you to confess
Stand - up to face the truth
Lost within your youth
Nothing to refute
Run - dive into your grave
The whole world has caved
Into what you made
Just forget that you're dead
Just forget where you're lead
Your world has left you now you become my prey
Your - my possession
Forgotten eternities
Of hate and regression
Finally you hit the ground
Finally I obtain what - you never found
Clawing up the thorned slopes
Covered with flesh and blood
Human rage, souls obtained
Wanting out of this hell - screaming skywards



There is plenty of death metal/metal with very well written lyrics that have a point and meaning to it.

JerseySucks
09-13-2007, 08:46 PM
Just cause I like death metal MUST mean I HATE all other kinds of music that isn't death metal? Q

Holy shit.... I hope you are kidding.

Poetic rap can be fucking ill. Listen to this shit and tell me this isn't amazingly written.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_LQiuQ1xIBM

The kid isn't stupid, some rap takes poetry to a whole different level.

RageAgainstTheToyMachine
09-13-2007, 08:58 PM
Holy shit.... I hope you are kidding.

Poetic rap can be fucking ill. Listen to this shit and tell me this isn't amazingly written.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_LQiuQ1xIBM

The kid isn't stupid, some rap takes poetry to a whole different level.

No, he implied that I don't like rap because its not "death/metal" enough, which was a stupid thing to say.

I do enjoy rap, but like everything else.. there is a huge shitload of rap that is complete shit and worthless, then the few good ones(and in rap there are only a few good ones).

drowning_fish
09-15-2007, 11:53 AM
"A few good ones" meaning a few good songs? Fuck me if there aren't more than that. I KNOW there are way more than just a few.

There's a huge shitload of metal that's "shit and worthless" too

RageAgainstTheToyMachine
09-15-2007, 12:00 PM
"A few good ones" meaning a few good songs? Fuck me if there aren't more than that. I KNOW there are way more than just a few.

There's a huge shitload of metal that's "shit and worthless" too

Like I said.. "like everything else".

Dumbass.

!@#$
09-15-2007, 12:01 PM
No, he implied that I don't like rap because its not "death/metal" enough, which was a stupid thing to say.

I do enjoy rap, but like everything else.. there is a huge shitload of rap that is complete shit and worthless, then the few good ones(and in rap there are only a few good ones).
i think he was responding to that

drowning_fish
09-15-2007, 12:02 PM
Oh shit my bad. Didn't read that

Hah, I'm stupid. Fuck

liebherk
09-15-2007, 05:33 PM
I do not exist, but faithfully insist
Sailing in our separate ships
and from each tiny caravelle
Tiring and trying there's unnecessary dying
like the horseshoe crab in its proper seasons sheds its shell
Such distance from our friends
like a scratch across a lens,
made everything look wrong from anywhere we stood
and our paper blew away before we'd left the bay,
so half-blind we wrote these songs on sheets of salty wood

Caught me making eyes at the other boatman's wives,
and heard me laughing louder at the jokes told by their daughters
I'd set my course for land,
but you well understand
it takes a steady hand to navigate adulterous waters
The propeller's spinning blades held acquaintance with the waves
as there's mistakes I've made no rowing could outrun
The cloth blowing on the mast like to say I've got no past
but I'm nonetheless the librarian and secretary's son
with tarnish on my brass and mildew on my glass,
I'd never want someone so crass as to want someone like me
but a few leagues off the shore, I bit a flashing lure
and I assure you, it was not what I expected it to be!
I still taste its kiss, that dull hook in my lip
is a memory as useless as a rod without a reel
To an anchor ever-dropped, seasick yet still docked
Captain spotted napping with his first mate at the wheel,
floating forgetfully along, with no need to be strong
We keep our confessions long and when we pray we keep it short

I drank a thimble full of fire and I'm not ever coming back

Oh, my God!

eberg15101
09-15-2007, 06:47 PM
you wanna hear some good fuckin poetry

listen to the doors

jim morrison in the most amazing poet i have ever heard

but i think this argument can go either way


some rap has awful lyrics and stuff and so does some rock

but i hate rap so i dont wanna listen to it but it can have good lyrics
(especially early rap)

i love anythighn to be considered classic rock, but some of the lyrics can suck and some are soooooo amazing so you know


it dont matter what your listenin just dont knock the other stuff

SkateLA4Life
09-15-2007, 07:14 PM
all music is good :D i love oldies/hardcore/indie/hip-hop/folk lol everything thats good and u r so retarded to say rock only focuses on musical depth u r listening to retarded rock probably like... NICKELBACK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH or somethign like that look up some good bands